Royals being put to sleep to give birth? *MNHQ edited the title for some sort of clarity*

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Posting in here for traffic, and also in case my lack of experience is at play here.

I have just been advised that when the royal family are due to deliver their babies they are put to sleep and someone else does the "work" for them because it is deemed too traumatic an experience.

Note, apparently this isn't a long winded and not really accurate attempt at saying they have caesarians.

I have scoffed at this, but an being told that this truly is the case. AIBU to not see how this is physically possible? And why on earth something like giving birth is deemed below the royals if so?

They are not'hers' to order around, as Decisionsohdecisions thinks possible - 'Do this', 'Go there'...

They are 'hers' in the sense that they have contracted to deliver medical care to her.

I imagine that the reason Kate was not hospitalised with her second and third pregnancies are twofold:

1 - they were prepared for what was going yo happen and could book a private nurse and drip to be set up in KP because:

2 - After the complete bloody fiasco last time Kate has probably refused to set foot in that hospital ever again as long as she lives

Mathanxiety don’t be so silly. OF course the consultants aren’t ‘hers’ as in she owns them. You can’t own a person. In the uk anyway. That wasn’t what I meant. Obviously.
But they come with a fee. So for a family kept by the tax payer, Does she really need seven of them? A mixture of ob/gyns and paedetricians. Before even the anathetisists she has, who will be consultants aswell so it’s probably closer to ten. Then the excessive amount of midwives on top.
All having meetings months before hand for the birth it must run into hundreds and hundred of thousands for the delivery of these royal babies.
Please dont tell me who I should have sympathy for also. My sympathy lies with the preventable still births and birth injuries because of horrifically understaffed nhs maternity wards.
None for Kate. What so ever.

I suppose the point I’m saying is that I find it quite shocking that in times of great austerity and with the nhs under such great pressure, the royals don’t have any solidarity with the mere mortals by reducing their excessively lavish lifestyles. Does she NEED seven minimum consultants??
Some women do receive shocking nhs care and it may not be better than some maternity wards in developing countries either mathanxiety.

I had both babies via CS and was under GA. First was an emergency. Second elective.

"There were no wards, no showers or toilets down the corridor, no putting up with loud and rude families of other patients while labouring and recovering"

And yet despite all the trimmings and expense of American medical care, adverse maternal outcomes are worse there than they are here. Go figure.

I had a team of consultants with dc1 birth as I had placenta praevia. I had 2 gynecologists, 2 haematologists, 2 anesthetists, 2 paediatricians & a team of midwives, registrars etc in theatre & that was nhs. Got a surprise when dc2 emergency cs only had a handful!

They still can't be shared out, Decisionsohdecisions, by any humble imprecations on Kate Middleton's part to go off to help women who need them (to paraphrase your post).

Taking from the rich won't help the poor. KM showing solidarity won't help them either. The royal family are forbidden from making political gestures in any case, whether meaningful or empty.

And you don't increase anyone's chances of avoiding a stillbirth by hating a wealthy woman either. Likewise, urging others to share your bile will be a fruitless exercise.

Maternity wards in developing countries? Only for women who are lucky.

The UK needs a cultural shift in the pro woman and egalitarian direction. The starting point for that is the belief that raising quality of services for everyone is necessary and possible, not suggestions of taking from those who enjoy better services than everyone else.

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It is indeed well worth pointing out that adverse outcomes are frequent in the US, Mini. But that doesn't mean US women should be subjected to the indignity of wards or lose 'the trimmings'. And as pointed out, women can get excellent free ante natal and delivery care there.

@minifingerz you will find the outcomes for the women in the hospitals described to be very good. Poor maternal outcomes in USA are very strongly influenced by race and poverty. There are massive issues about access to antenatal care for poor women. The absence of universal health care has huge impacts. African-Ameican women of all economic status have greater risks in pregnancy, both due to racism in their treatment and a greater tendency to certain complications. There is increasingly restricted access to safe early terminations of pregnancy. Your conclusions are facile and wrong. It's not the treatment and care that is the problem. If all American women had access to the type of healthcare facilities you describe so disparagingly, outcomes would be far better.

Mathanxiety where did I say I hated her? Please quote that back to me? When you realise I didn’t Please refrain from making any further assumptions about me.

I will admit that I hate what she stands for. Inequality in society. Poor people suffering and living below the poverty line. People who aren’t well off have to use sometimes substandard nhs healthcare and education for their kids. Their children have fewer life chances. Life is pretty bloody awful if your poor. Even if your middle income life now can be difficult with austerity.
And the excessively wealthy paying more towards services like the nhs is a perfectly reasonable way to reduce inequality. In my opinion. If you don’t agree then that’s fine but I believe it would be fairer and I’m entitled to say that on a public forum so please refrain from calling my opinion ‘bile’.

The article below mentions some of the costs the tax payers have footed the bill for. Now would it really be a political gesture for the royals to spend less excessively?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/27/kensington-palace-refit

The whole thing to me, spending money like this when kept by the tax payer, with public services in the state they are in, just screams a complete lack of empathy, conscience, principles and moral integrity.
I find their ‘charity work’ is tokenism. I don’t think they relate to people.
I don’t think they do anything to bridge the gap, and why would showing any solidarity be a bad thing? A public figure saying hang on a moment most people in this country have had their life affected by austerity and cuts. We will spend less of the tax payer money to show we understand this.

But no....

Sycamore - American mothers as a group are HUGELY over treated.

But that’s inevitable in a system driven by consideration of profit and defensive medical practice.

I'd rather see women here over treated than completely neglected. Our PND rates are not good, and most of cases are probably ignored, most women try to hide any problem - or don't get any help even if they try to find some.

Mothers should not be treated so horribly from birth

Some PND will be related to over treatment.

In any case, what’s the connection?

By ‘overtreated’ I meant too much non-evidence based care during pregnancy and birth, particularly over use of pitocin (syntocinon), which is now starting to be linked with increased mood disorders after birth.

In any case, what’s the connection?
between lack of care, horrible birth experience, exhaustion, loneliness, lack of after care, lack of support, lack of advice to name a few and PND? I don't know, what do you think?

Decisions - Who could argue that any of what you oppose is fine and dandy and doesn't need to be changed?

By making her the symbol of all of that you have made her a hate figure. None of it is her fault and there is nothing she can do about it except vote.

British - actually, it's English people - continue to vote for the Tories for no discernible reason. That is why you have austerity, no money for the NHS, the gig economy, Universal Credit and humiliating testing for a pittance in welfare.

The Crown spent £1m of public money removing asbestos and fixing the roof. It's not W & K's home to repair - HMQ owns it and that is why the taxpayer foots the bill. W & K are apparently paying for the interior redecoration themselves.

If she can afford the hospital she is attending and the doctors who will provide services, then it is nobody's business but her own what arrangements she chooses for delivery, any more than it is anybody's business but her own what she does about decorating on her own dime.

And what the rest of them do with themselves all day, where they go, and how much it costs is also neither here nor there when it comes to maternity care that is paid for privately. There is supposedly some benefit to the national image in sending them abroad on visits. If they don't go they are called lazy and if they do go they are accused of spending too much. There is most certainly a debate to be had about the purpose of a royal family, the place of the constitutional figurehead, and whether it should all be done away with. And a whole separate debate entitled 'What's the point of Prince Andrew?'
But that has nothing to do with whether a wealthy woman can choose her own arrangements for maternity care.

I am personally just thankful to be Irish, and represented abroad by this cheerful little leprechaun who was elected by popular vote...
goo.gl/images/p8ZcgP Here he is after some rugby match .

lovindublin.com/pics/a-dublin-shop-is-selling-these-brilliant-michael-d-higgins-tea-cosies-right-now Here he is in tea cosy form.

Mini, you can be assured that insurance companies that pay for so much of American healthcare, and especially maternity care and the bill when things go wrong, that treatment is evidence-based.

Missing a few words there that would make that a complete sentence, but maybe you catch my drift?

I've given birth in America @mini so yes I know what level of care I get. And I can assure you the reason Anerican women are dying is NOT because they got the treatment I got. It's because they didn't get any treatment at all. They're too poor and too black to access it. That's where your outrage should lie. Not to make ridiculous comparisons with UK midwife care.

@N0tfinished, sorry to drag up an oldish post but that wasn't a 'private maternity home' it was a laundry and they were horrid horrid places.

Your poor work colleague.

Actually January, it wasn't! There were a couple of private maternity clinic in Limerick and I'm sure other places too. One was called The Marian, another was up on O'Connell Ave. She was in the one on O'Connell Ave.

I know all about the Laundries but that wasn't what happened to this woman.

There were private maternity clinics apart from the Laundries. They offered very friendly care but not much by way of medical equipment if something went wrong. One of my mum's old neighbours in Dublin had her baby in one particular clinic in Dublin in the early 60s - the baby would have survived if he had been born in an actual hospital.

This was shown in the crown and I found the idea of it really traumatic