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Cannot escape poverty, what's the cheapest place in the world for me to move to?

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despair1234 · 06/03/2018 15:36

I can't cope and getting depressed again. I can't earn enough money. Had a real go with lots of tries at being freelance, because my health problems make it extremely hard to keep a normal job. Time off for hospital appointments etc.

I'm on my own in the UK and just done. I have a partner is another country but don't have a visa.

Need to move somewhere it's really cheap to have housing and food, I can't cope here anymore. Everyday is a massive struggle worrying how to pay the bills once my savings totally run out. No money is coming in. Not entitled to any benefits apart from Jobseeker's Allowance maybe which I don't bother with because I can't stand the effect it has on my mental health.

I just can't cope. It's too expensive just being alive. I have no family I can go to stay with, there is literally nowhere to go to relax.

It's like being in a nightmare except I never wake up. Constant, constant stress of money I can never overcome. Yeah I can borrow money but have no way of paying it back if I can't earn.

Where can I go??? Where can I find somewhere to rest???? I need to calm down and can't calm down, I'm having nightmares when I'm asleep, I'm not depressed but the impossible financial reality is making me depressed...because... where can it go from here?

It will never get better? Just breathing and eating and sleeping somewhere safe costs too much money? Let alone upkeep of clothes for interviews, reliable computer to try to find jobs, even small fees for retraining???

I just want to go away and escape, I need to escape.

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despair1234 · 08/03/2018 10:09

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despair1234 · 08/03/2018 10:15

MyDCareMarvel, I was NOT aggressive to you. Don't fabricate stuff.

I snapped at the person who sneered at my relationship. I did not snap at you. I told you that I did not want to claim PIP.

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despair1234 · 08/03/2018 10:17

Before someone asks no it's not "family money" we have separate finances because we don't live together yet and we live in different countries so it's perfectly reasonable.

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SusanBunch · 08/03/2018 10:25

It took the op until page 11 to be honest about pip. It isn't that she doesn't qualify, she doesn't want the stress of the asssessment. That is obviously entitlrely her choice but would have been better if she had said straight away instead of being aggressive with people.

No, she said from the outset that she does not believe she will qualify (not many do) and she also said that the process of filling in the form would be very stressful. How the fuck do you know that the OP would get PIP?? They don't hand the money out like smarties you know. I would trust the OP when she says that she is not entitled and that completing the form would be a big waste of time and add to her stress.

LadyinCement · 08/03/2018 10:27

I don't know what your constraints are, but someone I know who does not have a permanent home does housesitting. You get to stay in a nice house and possibly look after the pets/plants. It requires a police check, obviously, but you are your own boss and she does bits and pieces of other work to bring in extra money.

OutyMcOutface · 08/03/2018 10:40

Right, so reading your previous posts I would suggest that the best thing for you is to try to have multiple sources of income for two reasons, the first being that, for the moment at least, most full time jobs just wouldn’t work for you and second, that it can help prevent financial crisis as you would have spread the risk so to say. The first thing I would reccomend is looking at what you are qualified for:you have mentioned that you are already making some income in events and that you have an English degree. I don’t know much about events/marketing bugan English degree would make you a perfect person for partime/work from home roles such as proofreading, tutoring as mentioned above, English conversation, you could teach English as also mentioned above, there are some companies that allow you to do this online and provide basic training. What other skills do you have? Do you have any experience with software? Creating websites for example? Then you should consider what kind of unskilled work is suitable for you. You mentioned that you regularly experience pain. Would things like walking (maybe as a dog walker or delivering catalogs) exacerbate the pain or could you do it? What about standing for long periods of time (youvoipd posdiblyfind a few shifts a week as a cashier or a barista)? Heavy lifting/bending over (maybe you could find a few people who need their houses cleaned or their lawn mowed each week)? Do you have any other skills that you may have over looked? Are you a baking whiz or an excellent seamstress? You are unlikely to earn much of a living through hobbies unless you invest into it but you could take the occasional order for a birthday cake or taking up hems etc. just as an extra boost to your income.

OutyMcOutface · 08/03/2018 10:41

House sitting mentioned above sounds like an excellent idea!

MyDcAreMarvel · 08/03/2018 10:56

Susan because the op said herself on page 11 it was the stress of the assessment.
I don't know if she qualifys for pip , but neither does the op.

Verbena37 · 08/03/2018 11:08

Hi despair.
Sorry you’re in this situation.
It’s having marketing skill and events planning skills is great.
When you say you’re entitled to benefits....is that because you currently have enough savings not to qualify? Because at some point, when they run out, you will qualify for housing benefit and from not working....although I realise that’s not what you want.

Can you say what ill health it is? Only so we can see if there is any help we know of.

Have you asked smaller hotels whether they would have part time role for a wedding planner / events planner within their team? Have you got a portfolio of your work etc?

despair1234 · 08/03/2018 11:11

MyDCareMarvel you are still NOT LISTENING to me.

You say you have read the descriptors. Heck, you even claim PIP yourself I think you said?

That means you must have argued that you could not do things like wash yourself, dress, go to the loo, prepare food, feed yourself, manage money, read and process information, or manage a health condition either at all, or without assistance, or prompting.

They are very specific. There are people who cannot manually complete these tasks, and there are people who cannot do these tasks because of their mental health issues make it impossible or difficult - but then there are thousands of other people who can still do these very specific tasks (sometimes with difficulty) yet are still disabled.

Can you really not understand that there are PLENTY of people whose disabilities do not meet the criteria?

Really?

If you can open a packet of crackers (and frequently do so because pain or exhaustion mean you can't shop or cook) they will say you can take adequate nutrition. It's that simple.

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QuiteLikely5 · 08/03/2018 11:18

Op

There are many live in positions? In hotels and b&bs

Where experience is not required

You could go for interview training/techniques/workshops

Get someone to look at your cv

Start having a positive mental attitude

Work in a bar?

What is your illness?

SusanBunch · 08/03/2018 11:20

Susan because the op said herself on page 11 it was the stress of the assessment.
I don't know if she qualifys for pip , but neither does the op.

Yeah, she said that in response to a bunch of idiots telling her 'how can you know unless you apply'. She has also said that based on her knowledge of her health condition that she is not eligible for it and that the application process itself is long and stressful and she does not intend to go through it.

Heck, I guess technically I myself wouldn't know that I definitely don't qualify for PIP for sure unless I apply (I am not disabled). Except I do know that I wouldn't get it because I don't meet any of the criteria and therefore I will not apply.

Thehamsterspajamas · 08/03/2018 11:40

I don’t think it’s hard to have a good idea whether you are likely to qualify for PIP. I have a genetic condition that has resulted in very early retirement. Would I get PIP, no I wouldn’t because I can do pretty much all the tasks listed without help or prompting, it’s not unreasonable for OP to say it’s not worth applying.

Angeladelight · 08/03/2018 11:43

OP I absolutely sympathise with you, but have to say your tone is unnecessary in some responses. I can’t recall the exact post but someone suggested TEFoL and said however it would not be easy. You responded but then went on how you don’t expect it to be easy, nothing is easy etc. I appreciate your point but just completely unnecessary to say it when no one insinuated that in the first place? This thread isn’t helping you, needs reporting really. Wrong on both sides.

Jackanorystory · 08/03/2018 11:51

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despair1234 · 08/03/2018 11:52

Angeladelight it has actually helped me. I have a list of ideas and I'm combing through it to make sure I haven't missed an idea or website link.

It's not up to you to decide if it is helpful or not.

I think you are basically disapproving because you think I'm not adequately humble, deferential and grateful enough in my every response.

I have thanked people for their ideas and their support. I am very thankful to the majority of posters, because the majority have been kind and helpful.

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despair1234 · 08/03/2018 11:58

Jackanorystory your response is incredibly vapid, so I'm sorry but there's nothing to reply to.

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SusannahL · 08/03/2018 12:03

If you don't qualify for disability payments, then presumably you are deemed fit to work?

Getting a job within your capabilities (ie a sedentary one) would solve all your financial problems wouldn't it?

Purpledahlia88 · 08/03/2018 12:03

No advice to add, others have given so much good advice but I have to agree posters have been very rude to OP with passive aggressive little comments "gosh op, maybe your attitude isn't helping" or something similar.. so bloody rude.

despair1234 · 08/03/2018 12:13

Yes, I do work. I need more work, which this really boils down to.

I can't realistically work 9 - 6 in a job no matter how sedentary. Employers can't afford to have employees having medical appointments every week. At variable times, and different hospitals or clinics.

After very bad nights with a couple of acute episodes, I cannot function for the morning. Sometimes, at any time of day, I need to spend time dealing with medical needs.

I can 'park' the needing to deal with the more time consuming medical needs for maybe an hour and a half. So that's why I feel I could teach say a one hour class, then sort myself out. That's why I thought TESL might be suitable.

These are all fairly average days, some are a better with less upset, some are worse with extreme pain and other symptoms that I am not discussing.

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ilovesooty · 08/03/2018 12:14

The comments on here to the OP have in in many cases been disgusting. The assertions that some of you can see why she struggles with finding work are unnecessary.

KochabRising · 08/03/2018 12:16

My point was that you're clearly not as disabled as you claim or you'd get help.

I wish that was the case, but unfortunately you can have quite limiting issues and be deemed ‘fit’ and not require any financial assistance. The current system of disability assessment is simply not fit for purpose. It’s punitive, distressing and doesn’t fairly asses what a person can or cannot do. There needs to be an assessment system, but the one we have right now is dire. I hope to god I never need it. I’m more than happy to pay my taxes so that people who do need it, get it.

The UK has a problem with structural issues like high rents in some geographical areas coupled with low wages for even semi skilled work. We’ve allowed a situation to arise where big companies are allowed to pay sub living wages and be subbed by the taxpayer in the form of tax credits etc. Private landlords re subbed by taxpayers because we sold off ok the housing stock under right to buy and didn’t build more.

What’s needed is a system whereby companies pay fair wages, there’s sufficient social housing (with profits ploughed back in, it can be and should be self sustaining) and a FAIR system of benefits assessment to make sure that people get help that’s relevant to their needs, in the short /long term.

In the middle of ok this are people like OP - a chronic health condition that whilst probably not crippling (and thus not PIPable) is affecting her ability to earn, trapped in high rent housing and with low wage security. There are a LOT of people like this out there, and frankly as a society we are failing them.

Thehamsterspajamas · 08/03/2018 12:18

susannahL not necessarily. I have a recognised disability but I don’t qualify for benefits because I can look after myself. I just can’t carry out repetitive tasks such a lot of typing or cleaning or ironing. I need frequent breaks so I don’t get tendinitis. It makes working enough to earn anythIng meaningful though, all but impossible.

LadyinCement · 08/03/2018 12:20

I understand being stuck for working options because of what are more likely to be conditions rather than a straightforward disability. I am not disabled but there are a whole host of jobs I couldn't possibly do for various reasons (snobbery not being one!).

I'm a fine one to talk, but I think OP therefore needs to put a lid on the disability thing and focus on what she can do. Also, Rome wasn't built in a day so hoping to launch into a lucrative career from point zero is unrealistic. Baby steps and all that.

Also, is the partner a bit of a fly in the ointment? Is the OP invested in getting a career going if she's hoping to join partner? Is hoping to be with the partner a waste of time and headspace and, indeed, resources (presumably visiting costs a lot of money) if she will not be permitted to enter that country permanently.

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