To ask teachers what your pet peeves are?

[Collettegirl]

Personally mine are wet playtimes, and children who don't have a pen/pencil.

Bottle flipping- I found a great response to this (only works with older ones) oh xxxx didn't realise it was still 2016!? Usually they laugh and say ooo you've been burned by Mrs F.

Leaving a child in a soiled nappy for an hour is unacceptable.

But if there is no TA, how can the teacher leave 29 children unattended to change it? And why the heck should they?

Would you be happy sitting in a soiled nappy for a hour?

SLT

Spikey that is totally missing the point as you well know. It humanly impossible to be in two places at once, and whilst unearthing my parents loft found a letter given to them during my primary enrollment stating that children must be ready to toilet independently before starting school.

Lots of disabled people sit in soiled nappies for longer than that until their carer visits

Would you be happy sitting in a soiled nappy for a hour?

So what do you suggest teachers do? Just abandon the other 29 to their own devices? Not going to happen, it's illegal. It's not ideal that a child sits in a wet nappy but there is no nappy fairy around to change it, just an overworked exhausted teacher who will have to give up her break to do it.

So, why are there seemingly a fair few more children presenting at school who aren't toilet-trained than years ago? If it's for medical reasons, surely there should be the same numbers. Our current reception teachers report up to around 6 (out of 60). We've never had this until recently.

Because some parents for a variety of reasons, are not toilet training their children. Pull ups seem to make toilet training harder as well.

The reason why you now get more children in nappies is because you aren't allowed to say they must be toilet trained before they start anymore. Parents didn't have an option in the past and had to make sure it happened or they weren't permitted to start. You also aren't allowed to ask them to come and do changes, which you also were previously allowed to do. Funny how quickly that also meant some children were trained when parents realised they would be inconvenienced.
Of course teachers are aware of the difference between children with medical needs and those children whose parents just couldn't be bothered to do it. It is the later people are complaining about. It is unacceptable to think it is the job of the school to do it and there are cases when it is just down to lazy parents. That is what people are peeved about.

Spikeyball: My daughter went through a stage of reaccuring constipation, when the overflow happened I put her in a pull up aged 7 for school.

The teachers were awear of this and a care plan was put in place that we all agreed on.

As overflow is constant but slow releasing there will always be marks inside the pull up, so it was agreed she would have a bag of changing equipment in the staff toilets where she could change herself and clean up every break and lunch time.

She was quite rightly uncomfy and embarrassed during this period of time (all in all about 3 months) but the only alternative was to stay off school, which would of had a much higher chance of damage to her education.

Not once did I ever think a teacher or a TA should be dealing with this.
(They couldn't)

For those coming into reception still in nappies, there really is not the facilities in class to deal with this, if a 1:1 TA is assigned due to SEN great, but it would involve taking them out of the class to somewhere more equipped (costing time) that's ok as 11:TA is funded for this

However a child coming in nappies with no SEN, no extra funding for 1:1, no obvious reasons, then I have known schools inform parents they will actually have to come in and change them.

strangely for some it didn't take long for them to be toilet trained.

Many of the children starting school in nappies would in the past have been at special school. Most children with sn begin school in mainstream now.

Oh and there aren't magical extra members of staff floating around the school waiting to change children's nappies. Budget cuts have meant there aren't even TAs for children with serious additional needs. The LAs are pretty much rejecting every EHCP request at the first stage because they have no money to fund them. It is a shocking state of affairs and if parents knew exactly what teachers and TAs were putting up with in schools, they might not be so quick to take offence at what is clearly a light hearted thread allowing teachers to let off a bit of steam. Things are truly utterly dire. Teachers complaining about things which irritate them does not mean they do not love, cherish and bend over backwards for the children. Trust me they do. But at the same time they are human. I do wish parents would remember that sometimes.

That is not true spikey, this is a very recent phenomena.

All the children I know of that started school in nappies have sn.

Teachesr are reporting that the majority of children starting school in nappies or pull ups are quickly toilet trained.

In the past parents would have been told they couldn't bring their child to school. For some this would have spurred then on. For others it would mean a delayed start to school. Plenty of conditions (such as asd) are not diagnosed until much later but also involve delayed toilet training.

But it is recently that the numbers of children starting school every year have not been toilet trained. This happened long after the mainstreaming of kids with SN. The only thing that has changed is schools official policies around children in nappies/pull ups.

When people talk about kids in school in nappies, I do wonder if they are referring to the nursery part, ie pre reception? Perhaps there are more these days in nappies because more schools have the nursery provision?

Velcro on boys' shoes. Goes through me like a knife. Sometimes there are three or four of them who can't leave their shoes alone during carpet time, it's like an evil symphony of rasping nastiness. I fantasise about confiscating their shoes.

Even the sn children in my dc's reception classes in 1999 and 2002 were toilet trained and in each of those years the sn problems were quite serious and neither child was able to stay in mainstream beyond Y1/2.

Am I right in thinking that non toilet trained children are from more deprived families? If so is there not a cost incentive to toilet train? I remember beinv pleased when mine shifted first to cow's milk and then into pants.

"Can we watch a film?"

NO! You failed your mocks, exams are a month away you cannot watch a sodding film!

We have a pupil in P3 who soils herself at least once a day. She has to attend to herself as there is no help available. Every year there is at least one child starting who is in nappies - not for SN .

raindrops no this is not linked to financial deprivation. Indeed I was told by a nursery worker that families who struggle with money for nappies seem to toilet train earlier.