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Trump talk: HOW MUCH for that inauguration?

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PerkingFaintly · 27/02/2018 17:57

Shock We can start whole new threads for less than $26,000,000.

This one only cost 23p I found down the back of the sofa:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3171217-Trump-Talk-or-Lift-every-voice-and-sing?pg=1

Kyle Griffin
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Melania Trump has parted ways with adviser Stephanie Winston Wolkoff after news broke about Wolkoff’s firm reaping $26,000,000 in payments to help plan Trump’s inauguration, NYT reports.
www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/melania-trump-inauguration-adviser.html

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 06:50

"Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has asked people about the protocols Kushner used when he set up conversations with foreign leaders."

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/kushners-overseas-contacts-raise-concerns-as-foreign-officials-seek-leverage/2018/02/27/16bbc052-18c3-11e8-942d-16a950029788_story.html#click=t.co/blIX3mt9KP" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/kushners-overseas-contacts-raise-concerns-as-foreign-officials-seek-leverage/2018/02/27/16bbc052-18c3-11e8-942d-16a950029788_story.html#click=t.co/blIX3mt9KP

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 07:17

Please collect your robes and wings from the right and hand in all independence and autonomy to the armed guard

Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

thehill.com/policy/healthcare/375852-pence-says-abortion-will-end-in-us-in-our-time

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 07:19

Half-century of US civil rights gains have stalled or reversed, report finds

Assessment 50 years after Kerner Commission points to child poverty and school segregation, along with emboldened white supremacists

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/27/us-civil-rights-report-kerner-commission?__twitter_impression=true

Lweji · 28/02/2018 07:49

I'm getting a thread from Chi-na at a fraction of the cost.

It's getting harder to keep up. It must mean something. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 07:55

It’s not even Friday! With this level of high drama I’d imagine we’ll be thrown some nuclear dead cats soon

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 08:20

Feinstein has also been attacked by dems, and didn’t win the endorsement.

Plus Levi sanders is continuing his father’s legacy of attacking the dems - will post more after we’ve played in the snow!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 08:21

Post the links, that should say

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 09:52

Two threads compiling Levi Sanders' douchebaggery. Not sure what other conclusion there is to draw apart from he's problematic, and that's being polite yes I know I called him a douchebag in the previous sentence which undermines any politeness. Worth a look

twitter.com/deanbarker/status/967753515203485696

And

This one that links to the first but then also adds more

Aphra Behn‏
@Shaker_aphra
More Aphra Behn Retweeted Dean Barker
I've had little to say re: Levi Sanders other than to note the irony of Berner complaints about political dynasties. But this thread makes it clear: he's got some issues w race, gender, and is an un-self-aware jerk who complains when Chelsea Clinton publicly voices an opinion.

twitter.com/Shaker_aphra/status/968509340431929344

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 10:01

On Sanders senior:

Sanders Dodges Questions on Russia

www.shakesville.com/2018/02/sanders-dodges-questions-on-russia.html

[...]

And we need definitive answers about collusion between his 2016 campaign and Russia, as well as collusion between his campaign and the Trump campaign, because:

  1. His chief campaign strategist, Tad Devine, worked in collaboration with Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort for Putin-aligned former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych for many years.
  1. It was Devine, with whom Sanders has worked since the '90s, who convinced Sanders to run as a Democrat — and the Russian campaign to create division among Democrats only worked so well because Sanders ran as a Democrat. It would have been much less successful if Sanders had run as a third-party candidate. (See: Jill Stein.)
  1. Devine reached out to his old associate Manafort at least once that we know of during the 2016 U.S. presidential election: To try to arrange the ill-fated debate proposed between Trump and Sanders.

Devine knows campaign chairman Paul Manafort from, among other things, their collaboration on the campaign of ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. According to campaign aides, the morning after Trump was on Jimmy Kimmel Live, Weaver asked Devine to give Manafort a call to see if they could actually make the debate happen. They were already fielding offers from most of the networks—including a producer for Stephen Colbert, who wanted to host the debate on his own late night show.

Manafort laughed, said it was a joke, but then again, Trump was on his plane, and he had no idea what the candidate would do. The answer turned out to be a statement killing the speculation. Manafort left a voicemail for Devine saying he'd won over Trump. Devine never called him back.

To be clear, as I noted at the time, the entire charade was an exercise in trying to make Hillary Clinton look bad, because she refused to agree to a debate with Sanders in California. So, the one time we know that Devine and Manafort communicated, it was to orchestrate something that was explicitly to harm Clinton.

  1. Sanders' campaign, like every other campaign of Hillary Clinton's chief rivals, advocated a policy of working with Russia in Syria that did not make sense then and does not make sense still.

Before the 2016 election, joining forces with Russia to defeat ISIS was not a mainstream position, on either side of the aisle. [Content Note: Video may autoplay at following link.] That's because, as Hillary Clinton noted during the second presidential debate, Vladimir Putin doesn't give a fuck about ISIS: "Clinton said that Russia 'isn't interested in ISIS' and its assault on Aleppo was aimed at destroying Syrian rebels opposed the regime led by Bashar al-Assad."

But during the 2016 election, the one in which Russian interfered, every single one of Hillary Clinton's leading opponents suggested working with Russia in some manner, using the justification of joining forces to defeat ISIS.

Donald Trump repeatedly insisted throughout the campaign (and still asserts) that we should work with Russia to defeat ISIS, and criticized President Obama for not having done the same, despite the fact that such a plan is "futile and dangerous."

November 2015: Sanders Calls for New NATO That Includes Russia. "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called for a new accord between America, its closest allies, and Russia as well as Arab nations as a major plank on how to destroy the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."

September 2016: Gary Johnson: 'What Is Aleppo?' "With regard to Syria I do think it's a mess. I think that the only way that we deal with Syria is to join hands with Russia to diplomatically bring that at an end."

October 2015: Jill Stein Calls for Ceasefire in Syria, Joint Peace Agenda with Russia. "Stein People's Agenda for Global Peace and Agenda lays out a multi-prong approach to pursue peace based on focusing on promote [sic] justice and prosperity for all countries. Stein last week in NYC briefly outlined the proposal to Russia Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who asked her to follow-up with more details."

So, no serious foreign policy suggestions to join with Russia to fight ISIS before 2016. Then, during the election in which Russia intervened with the express purpose of defeating (or critically weakening) Clinton, every one of her opponents from across the political spectrum — her Democratic primary opponent, and her general election Republican, Libertarian, and Green Party opponents — each offered a policy of aligning with Russia, with the rationale of defeating ISIS.

Clinton was also the only candidate who did not have someone with ties to Putin working on her campaign, or a previous campaign. Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort and Sanders' chief strategist Tad Devine had previously worked in collaboration for pro-Putin former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych. Roger Stone was an advisor on Johnson's 2012 campaign, and continued to speak enthuiastically about Johnson in 2016. And Stein rather famously had dinner with Putin herself.

Also at that dinner? Michael Flynn — who then used that curiously shared rationale of defeating ISIS to argue for allying with Russia when his candidate won the White House.

A rationale that has never made, and continues to make, no sense based on the most basic understanding of Russia's objectives and alliances in Syria.

I have questions about how every campaign but Clinton's came to advocate this peculiar policy.


I believe it's entirely possible that Bernie Sanders has reasonable explanations for all of these things. In which case, it should neither be difficult nor inconvenient for him to account for them, publicly and transparently.

Before he mounts another presidential run, he needs to make some assurances to the people he hopes to represent in the White House, because these are the things we know for sure: Sanders' 2016 campaign was aided by Russian interference; and so was the campaign of the current occupant of the White House, and his governance is clearly compromised as a result.

So we need some straightforward answers. And if Sanders is unhappy about that, he can direct his ire at the Russians (which he should be doing as a sitting United States Senator) and not with the American public and journalists who want and quite reasonably expect serious answers from him.

TheClaws · 28/02/2018 10:17

Hmm. It was just one attacker, not twenty, apparently, so I don’t see why an AR-15 would be necessary. (And is he a ‘good guy’ if he has one handy in case of such events?) Fox shamelessly pushing NRA agenda.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 10:23

The Hill
‏*@thehill*
Feinstein fails to win endorsement from California Dems in high-profile reelection race hill.cm/Z6gL7wq

And

The Left's Shoddy Attack on Feinstein

Activists would present Republicans with a November gift by undermining Democratic pragmatists.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-27/dianne-feinstein-rebuff-is-democratic-left-s-gift-to-republicans

lionheart · 28/02/2018 11:08

I find the Feinstein debacle quite extraordinary.

This is better:

www.wfmz.com/news/lehigh-valley/lehigh-university-faculty-vote-to-rescind-trumps-honorary-degree/708473690

PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2018 11:15

This problem of contamination by Russian "help" is really bothering me.

The White House daren't investigate or even Russian interference because it thinks (knows?) it benefitted from it.

Republican politicians daren't acknowledge Russian interference because they think they benefitted from it.

Bernie Sanders doesn't want to talk much about Russian interference because there's now evidence Russia tried to "benefit" him.

So Russia gets to simultaneously interfere in elections and have the government in the country it attacked cover up for it. Highly successful for Russia; deeply crap for the country on the receiving end.

I'm extremely concerned this will happen in the UK as well.

The poll where Russia may have interfered was Brexit, which was cross-party, so we don't yet have a refusal to acknowledge by the governing party here. And I was really encouraged by the robust, co-operative work shown yesterday by the cross-party DCMS Commons committee.

But it's critical we maintain that ecumenical attitude to defence.

Because as soon as a party/faction comes into government in the UK that believes it owes anything to any foreign power (which could be China or yet another power), then that party will try to deny the "help" – and stymie investigations and defensive measures for fear of losing its position in government .

As too many non-Trump Republicans are demonstrating only too clearly right now. AngrySad

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PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2018 11:24

And there are many changes Russia (or any interfering nation) can ring on contamination.

Even if their interference was not material to the governing party's win, they can persuade the governing party it was. Play the Murdoch – "pander to us or we'll withdraw support, or even support the other guys."

If a party gets in which Russia doesn't like, Russia can pretend to have supported that party – and undermine the legitimacy of the win.

Basically this shit is going to run and run. The only defence against it is going to be a united front, where no one is scared to say, "A foreign power is trying to weigh in, in our favour. We acknowledge it, and repudiate it." Like all blackmail, it's only really effective when there's a secret.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 11:27

I'd say they definitely know the benefited, not just think it. They actively sought out help, on several occasions, and so much of it has been publicly documented because they're not very good at it .

Republicans have now taken inaction for so long that either they were always implicated and have been trying to cover up their involvement or are now implicated, by dint of their attempts to hold on to power and subsequent dereliction of duty.

The grab for power (across the world - China's leader has said he's lifting the restriction of the two terms policy for example) has become emboldened and more brazen. The shackles of at least wanting to appear decent, principled and truthful have been cast off. We are living in dangerous times and have been doing so for awhile.

PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2018 11:28

The shackles of at least wanting to appear decent, principled and truthful have been cast off.

This.Sad

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 11:29

From the last thread - how to combat it:

Sweden is taking on Russian meddling ahead of fall elections. The White House might take note.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/europe/sweden-looks-at-russias-electoral-interference-in-the-us-and-takes-steps-not-to-be-another-victim/2018/02/21/9e58ee48-0768-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html?__twitter_impression=true

Hundreds of local election workers have been trained to spot and resist foreign influence. The country’s biggest media outlets have teamed up to combat false news. Political parties scour their email systems to close hacker-friendly holes.

The goal: to Russia-proof ­Sweden’s political system so that what happened in the United States in 2016 can never happen in this Nordic country of 10 million people.

Although the general election isn’t until Sept. 9, officials say their preemptive actions may already have dissuaded the Kremlin from interfering. In Washington, meanwhile, the FBI says it has received no White House orders to secure the 2018 midterms against Russian influence.

“It would be very risky for a foreign nation to do this now,” said Mikael Tofvesson, who heads the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency’s effort to safeguard elections from malicious foreign influence. “It could risk a backlash. It would be an exposure of their methods.”

[whole thing is worth a read]

PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2018 11:31

Very many thanks for reposting that – one of many articles I thought, "I'll go back and read that in a mo..." and then didn't.Grin

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/02/2018 11:34

(I'll confess - I don't always read every article that I post on here Blush)

Lweji · 28/02/2018 11:38

I don't always read every article that I post on here

Oh, thank god. I thought you were superwomen undercover.

Lweji · 28/02/2018 11:38

Or superwoman.
But at that rate, more like superwomen indeed. Wink