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Maintenance/parental responsibility system in the UK is backward/outdated and not child centred

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Pankhurst09 · 26/02/2018 23:53

In my experience through separation I've found a very one sided, outdated, backward, non child centred system. A system that does not safeguard the interests of the child but the parents and their needs and wants.

So far we as parents have managed to stay away from the lawyer/court/maintenance system however this has taken a great deal of work and very very worrying and troublesome times, all of which must have had an impact on my children, consciously or subconsciously.

In short my ex pays maintenance for his children, this has been dropped, stopped and under threat at various points in the two year separation. The obvious response to this would be, involve a lawyer however this is costly and wouldn't necessarily achieve what I feel should be the shared outcome for the children. That they continue their life, parental home, hobbies, interests etc etc... in the same manner as if they were still in a two parent family, after all, they did not ask for this, their life chances are already compromised and IF they have two parents truly putting them first then as little as possible should change for THEM regarding their life chances/choices and experiences otherwise surely they do just become a statistic of the pitfalls of divorce/separation.

Where my anger over the current system stems from is that there is nothing in place to safeguard THEIR current situation. There is no system to say, you attended dance class three times a week, you are involved in groups such as Rainbows or Brownies, you have already established friendships and goals for the future, you are involved in school groups, you attend extra curricular activities, all of this needs financial input. Nope, we will stick to an outdated maintenance calculator that can be manipulated (self employed?) and used to demonstrate how little financial input fathers actually require to pay towards THEIR children. And it IS used, to bully, manipulate and highlight just how little fathers in the UK have to contribute towards their children, by not only fathers but even more sadly other mothers (for reasons only known to them) to justify the poor show of non child centred approach and a need to bolster and support this sad opting out of true parenthood.

It's not about the money per say, it is about the life limiting circumstances that arise from a parent deciding not to pay maintenance to ensure their children's lives continue in the same vein as before divorce/separation. We get embarrassed and very British and don't want to talk about maintenance and payments however it is a crucial and vital part of shared parenting. It is the difference between keeping disruption to a child's life as minimal as possible and this means someone taking the "hit" why should it be the child? In this system it is, time and time again. And the system supports it. If you decided on a whim you won't pay child maintenance in other countries this would be a criminal offence, in the UK it happens all the time with very little recourse. If the resident parent, did not feed, clothe, pick up their child from school, this would be abandonment, not so for the non resident. If we truly want a fair system, if we truly want a child centred approach things need to change! Accountability must come first and be enforceable for ALL parents, resident or not!!

I never ever thought I would find myself in this situation. I never wanted a split family for my children. My over riding goal in life is my children's happiness and I would do anything to protect them but sadly I can't make this system better for them, quickly enough. I am lucky, I have a well paid job, I work hard to provide for my children but so do most mothers that find themselves in differing circumstances. I continually hear comments like, "but I'm working full time, why should I pay "her" xyz" well, for a start I'm guessing "her" carried your child for 9 months of her life and then nursed the child and KO'd a very good part of her working life to care for YOUR child, so she is already on a back foot with regards to employment. However stick a few figures in the government calculator and you will find yourself with as much financial responsibility as keeping a hamster. The moral and financial responsibility towards that child is really and truly up to you. The non resident parent, well they can pick and choose and we as a nation will support that.

Any wonder our mental health issues amongst teenagers are sky rocketing. Start safeguarding our young people. Start making ALL parents truly accountable.

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JCo24 · 27/02/2018 00:18

Well what would you suggest then, system wise?

Situations change, and sometimes activities have to be stopped because the financial support isn’t there. And that goes for both parents who are still together and divorced parents.

I do think, however, that if a father is refusing to pay CM then it should be deducted from their pay slip, PAYE style.

Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 00:24

System wise I think the accountability should be the same for both parents and enforceable. The non resident parent should feel and have the same accountability as the resident parent. At the moment it's almost like a "babysitting" situation where the non resident parent thinks they are "helping" with their children. Accountability needs to be much more pronounced and enforceable in society for it to be truly child centred.

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Julie8008 · 27/02/2018 00:36

You haven't thought this through. When a family splits their costs double, you cant expect the children to carry on with activities as if the spilt had never happened. Where are you going to magic up the money for all that? Pie in the sky.

Notavictimbutasurvivor · 27/02/2018 00:40

Totally agree. I'm having to work 6 days a week to provide for my children and my ex only pays a minimum sum.
He's off starting a family elsewhere and he doesn't have to worry about paying for electric and gas. The system is so so wrong.

Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 00:42

Yes Julie I can, I can expect my children's lives to carry on as normal because that is being a good parent and that is shared responsibility and accountability even if a relationship breaks down.

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nixnjj · 27/02/2018 00:49

My lad is 13. I put in a claim whe he was born, in 13 years I've had a grand total of £30 and that was whe he was unemployed and was taken straight from his JSA.

Under the CSA my arrear where about 11k. After seeing him and getting nothing but abuse and threats I acted on the Cms letters telling me he owed but hadn't paid and they would pay me when he paid. He's not going to do that. My arrears with CMs are under Seven hundred pounds, can't explain why so much has been written off. Cant get money from him as he's refusing to speak to,them. I am at the stage now where I am considering having him mugged every payday. I wouldnt but it does make me feel better. UK IS CRAP at chasing deadbeat dads and society seems intent on demonising the mums left who go hungry to ensure their kids are fed clothed and have a roof over their heads. Personally I think if a man can't look after the kids he has then castrate the bastard to prevent him doing the same to others.

Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 00:52

Notav I'm really sorry to hear that and it highlights everything that makes me angry about the system. It isn't a fair system by any means, it is not child centred. If it was, moving on and having your children as an after thought would not be an option. It may seem like an uphill struggle, you will be the moral victor however you should not be in this situation in the first place.

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 00:55

Nix your proposed approach is brutal and I know 'tongue in cheek' (possibly) however I hear and feel every underlying frustration in your response and I understand. It's a truly shit system.

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halfwitpicker · 27/02/2018 00:59

Can I ask how the children split their time between parents?

I can guarantee it's not 50/50. It should be, but I bet you have the kids 95% of the time.

halfwitpicker · 27/02/2018 01:00

FWIW I totally agree that it's a shit outdated system and abroad there are systems that work far better, that bear the kids in mind.

nixnjj · 27/02/2018 01:02

I know it's brutal lol. I refer to it as mental maintenance. Although I must admit I enjoyed find out his local pub and publicly shaming him. Spent 6 months with him changing his drinking holes and me finding him and telling all his mates what a waste of breathe he is. He's one of these clever people that makes out he's mr wonderful. Still didn't sha,e him into paying up

7Seas · 27/02/2018 01:02

I appreciate what you are saying OK but sometimes it is impossible to maintain the same lifestyle when 2 homes are required after a split. With all the bills too. Of course there are men and women who will play the system but realistically you cannot have the exact same lifestyle after a break up.

Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:03

Yes half, I have the children the majority of the time. One night at the weekend with dad if no other social commitments. To be honest I could start a whole other thread about why shared parenting (in the sense of 50/50) is also not child centred and sadly in my experience often a maintenance dodge. It's a very sad system.

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:05

Half totally agree

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:06

Nix system is shit but you are clearly standing up to it in your own way. Good luck. Stay strong. Don't get arrested 😉

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:08

7seas break ups will of course bring changes in circumstances my point is, if both parents are truly putting the children first these changes should be minimal to the child.

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7Seas · 27/02/2018 01:12

Agree the children must come first but a mountain of extra curricular activities may not be as important and feeding clothing and housing all the family. I do get what you are saying about responsibilities though.

Want2bSupermum · 27/02/2018 01:15

The issues I see are two fold.

#1 - The CSA have no teeth. A parent who isn't paying maintenance should be branded as a dead beat Dad. It should be relatively easy to garnish wages.

#2 - The calculation of maintenance shouldn't include DC from their new relationship which aren't biologically theirs.

If you want to adopt, do so using income available after your own children are paid for. Harsh, I don't think so. I know too many mothers who see their maintenance slashed when their ex moves in with someone who has DC from a previous relationship.

halfwitpicker · 27/02/2018 01:17

Live in Canada and BIL is divorced.

Everything is split 50/50 - finances, running around for activities, doctors appointments, they both have their own house so kids have a bedroom at each house (not possible in all situations, I realise owning your own home is expensive, especially if you've three kids!) so the kids lives aren't really disrupted.

I think it's a brilliant system : why the hell should the mother do the majority of the leg work?!

At one point BIL 's ex was paying BIL maintenance as she was the higher earner. Seems unlikely in the UK.

Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:18

7seas, no mountain just standard extra curricular activities in line with all of their friends and that is my point. Should they be singled out, made to feel different, not have the same life chances as their friends in two parent families? That's where the real issues would start to arise in impact- in my opinion. An issue that could be avoided if there was shared responsibility and accountability from both parents.

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:19

Want2be very valid points, highlighting the shit system once again.

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:21

Half that's it! Fairness, keeping a balanced approach, putting the children at the centre. It works both ways.

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Pankhurst09 · 27/02/2018 01:25

That said, 50/50 care and maintenance is different to 50/50 split time. I don't agree with 50/50 split time at all, again I don't think that's meeting the needs of the child, it's meeting the needs of the parent and system.

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Julie8008 · 27/02/2018 02:16

I can expect my children's lives to carry on as normal because that is being a good parent and that is shared responsibility and accountability even if a relationship breaks down

Sorry your in cloud coo-coo land, where do you think all the money comes from? Do you think parents can just double their income at the click of their fingers?

Julie8008 · 27/02/2018 02:20

I don't agree with 50/50 split time at all
So you think one parent should have the ability to dictate when the other parent is allowed to see their child. That is hardly better is it?