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Maintenance/parental responsibility system in the UK is backward/outdated and not child centred

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Pankhurst09 · 26/02/2018 23:53

In my experience through separation I've found a very one sided, outdated, backward, non child centred system. A system that does not safeguard the interests of the child but the parents and their needs and wants.

So far we as parents have managed to stay away from the lawyer/court/maintenance system however this has taken a great deal of work and very very worrying and troublesome times, all of which must have had an impact on my children, consciously or subconsciously.

In short my ex pays maintenance for his children, this has been dropped, stopped and under threat at various points in the two year separation. The obvious response to this would be, involve a lawyer however this is costly and wouldn't necessarily achieve what I feel should be the shared outcome for the children. That they continue their life, parental home, hobbies, interests etc etc... in the same manner as if they were still in a two parent family, after all, they did not ask for this, their life chances are already compromised and IF they have two parents truly putting them first then as little as possible should change for THEM regarding their life chances/choices and experiences otherwise surely they do just become a statistic of the pitfalls of divorce/separation.

Where my anger over the current system stems from is that there is nothing in place to safeguard THEIR current situation. There is no system to say, you attended dance class three times a week, you are involved in groups such as Rainbows or Brownies, you have already established friendships and goals for the future, you are involved in school groups, you attend extra curricular activities, all of this needs financial input. Nope, we will stick to an outdated maintenance calculator that can be manipulated (self employed?) and used to demonstrate how little financial input fathers actually require to pay towards THEIR children. And it IS used, to bully, manipulate and highlight just how little fathers in the UK have to contribute towards their children, by not only fathers but even more sadly other mothers (for reasons only known to them) to justify the poor show of non child centred approach and a need to bolster and support this sad opting out of true parenthood.

It's not about the money per say, it is about the life limiting circumstances that arise from a parent deciding not to pay maintenance to ensure their children's lives continue in the same vein as before divorce/separation. We get embarrassed and very British and don't want to talk about maintenance and payments however it is a crucial and vital part of shared parenting. It is the difference between keeping disruption to a child's life as minimal as possible and this means someone taking the "hit" why should it be the child? In this system it is, time and time again. And the system supports it. If you decided on a whim you won't pay child maintenance in other countries this would be a criminal offence, in the UK it happens all the time with very little recourse. If the resident parent, did not feed, clothe, pick up their child from school, this would be abandonment, not so for the non resident. If we truly want a fair system, if we truly want a child centred approach things need to change! Accountability must come first and be enforceable for ALL parents, resident or not!!

I never ever thought I would find myself in this situation. I never wanted a split family for my children. My over riding goal in life is my children's happiness and I would do anything to protect them but sadly I can't make this system better for them, quickly enough. I am lucky, I have a well paid job, I work hard to provide for my children but so do most mothers that find themselves in differing circumstances. I continually hear comments like, "but I'm working full time, why should I pay "her" xyz" well, for a start I'm guessing "her" carried your child for 9 months of her life and then nursed the child and KO'd a very good part of her working life to care for YOUR child, so she is already on a back foot with regards to employment. However stick a few figures in the government calculator and you will find yourself with as much financial responsibility as keeping a hamster. The moral and financial responsibility towards that child is really and truly up to you. The non resident parent, well they can pick and choose and we as a nation will support that.

Any wonder our mental health issues amongst teenagers are sky rocketing. Start safeguarding our young people. Start making ALL parents truly accountable.

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4Funnels · 27/02/2018 02:32

"I can expect my children's lives to carry on as normal"

Do you?

So, a SAHM and a working father > divorce > SAHM and working father? Nothing changes and the mother still doesn't financially contribute?

The costs of running two homes (or a family home and a bedsit for the outed father as is often the case) is higher than just one. There's less money to go around. What do you suggest?

"I don't agree with 50/50 split time at all"

I bet you don't! So, keep the children, the house and neither you nor they are in anyway affected by the new situation?

"An issue that could be avoided if there was shared responsibility and accountability from both parents."

Nothing you've said points to this being what you want at all. Well, besides any responsibility minimising yours.

p.s. YOU don't need to capitalise pronouns. WE can read without THEM.

beingsunny · 27/02/2018 03:08

I think it's unrealistic, you are talking about a moral responsibility to putting the children first. The government can't make any mother or father do this.

50/50 care does work, does the father not bring wonderful things into the life of their children, my sons father certainly does!

It's unrealistic to suggest that a separated family can afford to run two homes and all costs on the same money as when there was a single home, money in that pot is finite, adjustments must be made and those mothers and fathers are the only ones who can prioritise their outgoings for the children.

It sounds as though you made a poor choice in the man you decided to have your children with.

Ivebeenaroundtheblock · 27/02/2018 03:12

collecting the percent of income certainly needs to be improved along with preventing income avoidance schemes (self employed, moving away etc).
but sadly keeping up the dream of what family life was going to be; family home, private school, extra sports, twice yearly foreign holidays should only be based on financial reality.

MotherofaSurvivor · 27/02/2018 03:23

@JCo24 They do already deduct from Wages PAYE Style. However, this doesn't work for those really wanting to avoid it! It takes 3 months to find out where they work if you don't know, then 3 months to set up the deductions. Most men - including my ex - find a new job every 3 months so that he avoids ever having to pay anything!

Also doesn't work for those self employed.

4Funnels · 27/02/2018 03:53

"Most men - including my ex - find a new job every 3 months so that he avoids ever having to pay anything!"

Haha - love it.

Any more amazing facts?

Voiceforreason · 27/02/2018 13:27

Why is 50/50 unfair to children? How do you know children don't want to spend half their time with their non resident parent? Why do you suppose the non resident parent only wants 50/50 for economic reasons. Your reasoning is flawed because you are presupposing all children have a less loving relationship and less need in their life, for a non resident parent. Every Jeremy Kyle show contradicts this assumption. It is full of young people who are desperate to build a close and loving relationship with sometimes estranged parents, many of whom have been forced out of their lives by bitter resident parents.

Lethaldrizzle · 27/02/2018 13:32

You can't expect your children's lives to carry on as normal when you split. That's crazy! I didn't get any money off my ex after we split. We just divvied up expenses between us. No courts, no child maintenance- just open communication

DeathStare · 27/02/2018 13:52

Yes Julie I can, I can expect my children's lives to carry on as normal because that is being a good parent and that is shared responsibility and accountability even if a relationship breaks down

But parental income doesn't double when parents split. If I went to my employer when myself and my ex split and said to them "he brought X amount into our household, but will now only be paying Y amount in child support, I want a pay rise to cover the difference" they would have laughed me out of there.

Equally the partner who leaves now has their own household expenses to cover out of their income. Unless they already had a very large disposable income that they just used for savings (or their own fun-money) then there is just no way they could afford to contribute what they were contributing previously.

Nobody wants their DC to have to give up things because of a family split, but unfortunately for most people that's just real life - NOTHING to do with being a good parent. Same as if one parent lost their job (or died without life insurance) chances are the DC would need to give up things.

Not being able to magic money out of thing air doesn't stop someone being a good parent.

Pankhurst09 · 06/03/2018 23:51

Yikes so many bitter women unable to see the bigger picture and truly put children first. It always comes back to the man, even “Jeremy Kyle” I rest my case. Good night.

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MulanRouge · 07/03/2018 00:01

And then you get waste of space wankers like my ex who refuses to pay but tells me if I don't like it he will have residency and I can pay him Hmm

We have been split since before DD was even born.

FluffyWuffy100 · 07/03/2018 00:05

There should be a deemed minimum maintenance payment based on 40 hours at the living wage or something .

if as a NRP you decide to switch to being self employed, quite work, work cash in hand, whatever - you still have to pay the deemed minimum.

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