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Funded childcare hours and ignoring a demand for payment.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/02/2018 08:12

I’m a “Play by the rules” type of woman which is why this is bothering me so much....

I have a son who is almost 4 and last September he started at a pre-school with the 30 funded hours.

All was well until at the start of February the pre-school contacted me to say their computer system was showing that DS was no longer eligible for funding.

My DH contacted HMRC (as the application was in his name) and they told him that DS was eligible and so we relayed this back to pre-school.

A few days later pre-school contacted me to say their system still said he wasn’t eligible so could we ring HMRC again, which DH did who again told him that there was no problem with DS having the funding so we relayed this to pre-school again.

A few days later it happened again, DH spoke to HMRC again and then he told pre-school to contact HMRC themselves to sort it out as they were consistently saying there was no problem with DS’s eligibility code or funding.

The pre-school didn’t phone HMRC though and just continued to contact me saying the same thing about their system and then said they hadn’t received any money/funding for DS for 6 weeks and I said I did not know what the answer was then because DH was being told by HMRC everything was fine. I reiterated again that they really needed to speak to HMRC themselves because there was no more that me or DH could do.

Whilst all this had been going on we had decided to move DS to a childminder (not related to this issue) and I asked her if she’d had any problems registering DS into her care regarding the funding and she said it had all been fine, she’d spoken to HMRC and they had confirmed DS’s eligibility and had settled dates for when she would receive her payments. I told the pre-school that his new childminder hadn’t come across any problems regarding DS’s funding so obviously the fault lay with their system.

We then didn’t hear anything for a few weeks so we assumed they had spoken to HMRC themselves and the problem had been resolved.

However, last week we received a bill from the pre-school for almost £700 which they say is to cover the care they’d provided to DS during the period from when their system had said he wasn’t eligible up until the date he left their setting.

My DH was fuming and basically said they can f**k off if they think they’re getting a penny out of us!! He shut the letter away in a drawer and said there’s no way we’re paying it as DS has always been eligible and if they had cared about the issue they should have bloody rang the HMRC themselves!!

DH has completely moved on from this whereas I’m slightly fretting and feel we should be doing something, not just ignoring it.

AIBU to think we should contact them and try and resolve the matter? DH said we shouldn’t bother as we’ve been trying to sort the funding issues with them for weeks and it’s been like banging our heads against a brick wall.

OP posts:
Faze84 · 26/02/2018 12:23

Im confused here. How did your OH apply for 30 free hours in the first place? I could be wrong but i thought you had to do this online via Gateway. If so, HMRC don't send confirmation emails, they message your GG directly. Also from experience they will only speak to the person who applied for the free hours so they will only speak to your husband.

Is your DH self employed, again from experience my code was no longer eligible as they wanted further info re his finances. This meant the nursery couldn't use the code straight away and of course they wanted to know the ins and outs of a cats arse.

Although i cant explain why it works with childminder. I think code stays the same. assume no code typo at their end.

mygrandchildrenrock · 26/02/2018 12:41

In my role, I have to input codes into our Local Authority Hub to check their validity. I can't contact HMRC directly, well I can but they won't speak to me about individual children due to data protection.
All I can do is validate the code or not. I assumed it was the same for other Local Authorities.
Someone has to pay the money to the pre-school. If you contact HMRC and they agree, in writing, that your child was eligible on the given dates then your LA should provide the pre-school with funding for the disputed dates.

QueenofmyPrinces · 26/02/2018 12:47

Im confused here. How did your OH apply for 30 free hours in the first place? I could be wrong but i thought you had to do this online via Gateway. If so, HMRC don't send confirmation emails, they message your GG directly. Also from experience they will only speak to the person who applied for the free hours so they will only speak to your husband.

This is correct. He did apply online and all conversations had with HMRC regarding this have been with my husband. He isn’t self employed, no.

The whole issue with the pre-school’s system saying he isn’t eligible but the childminder having no problem just doesn’t make sense.

OP posts:
WooWooSister · 26/02/2018 14:06

Redpony I deal with HMRC all the time. That's how I know they're a nightmare and their system is temperamental. It's also how I know OP's DH has to chase this if he is the primary contact. An automated letter should be enough for the nursery to clarify codes, details, etc.

Hillarious · 26/02/2018 14:38

I can only compare this with dealings with Student Finance. Sometimes the computers at each end of the chain just aren't talking to each other and funding isn't releases, despite us knowing that we've done everything at our end and the student being told by Student Finance that they're waiting for us to do something.

Has your DH at any point in his dealings with HMRC told them that there are issues with eligibility being raised by the nursery?

Are you sure there is no cross-over between the nursery and the childminder which might be clouding this issue?

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