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AIBU?

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MIL.....Grrr! I know IANBU but need allies!

66 replies

Gaaahhh · 25/02/2018 16:46

I know I'm not but how much should I stand up to MIL?

DH is a rather spoilt man-child who has very old fashioned views of M/F roles. I knew this when I married him and was OK with me doing the home stuff as he would be busy doing DIY, cars etc. However, over time he has taken up a couple of quite physical, time consuming hobbies, one of which he has grown into a self employed business. He does make some money at it but has had to hugely remortgage - it will eventually be a worthwhile financial investment but in the interim 25 years or so we see far less of him than we would if he did a normal job. I would prefer he worked 9-5 for his previous employer and had less debt. He then spends two nights a week out and most of Sunday on his other hobbies. He does get tired and I accept that, but it came to a head last Sun when he came home at lunchtime (half cut as usual) and then spent the whole afternoon in front of the TV saying 'sunday is a day of rest'.

I said 'great, I wish I knew that - I won't cook from now on then'. He thought I was joking until he came home this lunchtime and found the sunday roast waiting for him to cook with a list of instructions. (well he sort of knew as he and the kids got the veg ready last night, but I think he thought I would cave in). I picked up his elderly MIL who always comes for lunch and she was clearly horrified, but I kept smiling (had a lovely morning doing stuff with DD instead of slaving over the kitchen).

However, she had a face on all through lunch (which was mostly OK as I had left him a detailed list of exactly what to do and when, and had already cooked the meat and done the apple sauce etc) and then started muttering about how her darling boy was so tired and shouldn't have to do this etc etc!! I'm ashamed to say I did get rather cross and did raise my voice somewhat saying that things have moved on from her days and men are expected to pull their weight in the house, and if he's tired he should pick golf instead as a hobby. She had the nerve to argue and say in her day they looked after their men (!), so I pointed out that I am looking after the kids as well as working part time and doing all DH's books, which she never did - but she doesn't get it. Anyway I left the room and heard her muttering that she wouldn't come to lunch any more - and she later left with DH without replying to my cheery goodbye. (DD also told me that she was complaining to DH earlier that I shouldn't have left DS (8) home alone for the ten minutes it took to pick her up. I've done this for a while, during the day, for short trips and he's quite happy). Grrrr!

So - I'm sure I will calm down and be civil again next time we meet, but AIBU?? I know it's all a bit petty but feeding the family is my worst chore! I absolutely hate having to plan meals and drop everything night after night just to feed people, and doing Sunday lunch makes it literally a non-day for me from about 10 a.m. to 3pm or so, week in week out! While DH plays and then relaxes!

Am I within my rights to stand up for myself to MIL, or should I bite my tongue? Also, DD didn't like us arguing so I explained that things were different in MIL's time but she (DD) should never accept a man who didn't help with the chores - which she totally gets. But should I gloss over it and say MIL is lovely full stop, or am I ok to say MIL is lovely but has old fashioned views and you can ignore those when she gets on her high horse? I hate putting people down to other people (except on mumsnet Grin) but equally I do feel I'm justified in having my opinion on this.

BTW, MIL is usually fine, just very old fashioned and can be opinionated.

OP posts:
SEsofty · 25/02/2018 18:07

If you don't like cooking why are you doing a Sunday lunch. Just let everyone make a sandwich or something. You and the children do something fun on a Sunday morning, cinema, swimming etc

HandbagCrazy · 25/02/2018 18:19

I think you should continue to stand up for yourself but maybe go a different way about it. She's DHs mum, she's never going to be on your side about this if she feels it's your job to cook.

My DM is like this - she makes no secret of her sympathy for DH for having a wife who doesn't iron his clothes or have tea on the table when he gets home Hmm
I used to get annoyed but now I respond by pointing out that DH is fine with it.
Eg "Handbag, I can't believe you're making DH cool lunch. He's been in work all week"
Me - "oh I know. But as we're both going to eat it, it's his turn, isn't it DH..?"
This obviously only works if you and DH are on the same page though.

Would also like to use this example to show that if your DH really thinks this should be your job, he is choosing to believe that, it's not how he was made by his mum. If that was how it worked, I would be run ragged like my mum is, working and doing everything for 'the man of the house' HmmAngry

PrimalLass · 25/02/2018 19:10

Well you have a DH problem not a MIL problem

No she ALSO has a MIL problem. How is it not a problem when someone thinks they can be rude to you in your own house?

LouHotel · 25/02/2018 19:35

OP so your working part time, doing all the housework and the books for his business which is the mental load of a self employed person.

You need to have a serious sit down with your DH.

Lethaldrizzle · 25/02/2018 19:49

Don't cook roast!

CotswoldStrife · 25/02/2018 20:01

Why didn't you just go out for lunch? Why involve his mother at all when you knew it wouldn't go well?

Is it cycling, the hobby? It's always cycling on here!

mehhh · 25/02/2018 20:30

Good for you for standing up for yourself!! I'm angry for you, for your situation with selfish dp and the mollycoddling mil who thinks her baby should have his arse wiped by his wife whilst he enjoys his life watching tele & enjoying hobbies

Oooeeeerrrrrindeed · 25/02/2018 20:39

MiL aside, she's one of those superior sorts seeking fault, awful woman.
You sound very chaotic though . You don't have to drop everything to cook / make a meal every day. Are you suggesting eating everyday is something you don't do? Maybe try to view the meal as more of a positive. Byt your DH should be pulling his weight. He's plunged the family into uncertainty with his debt. He should at least be demonstrating some adult homebased skills if not financial ones.

Also roasts are not necessary. Ditch those.

stopbeingabloodyvictim · 25/02/2018 20:44

Errrrrr.... on a Sunday one cooks the other clears up.... fair division of labour

SimplyJaded · 25/02/2018 20:48

he came home at lunchtime (half cut as usual)

Arguing over who's cooking would be the last thing on my mind considering this ^ tbh. Half cut by lunchtime every Sunday? Totally not normal.

holeinmyheart · 25/02/2018 21:01

Gaaahh well done for sticking up for yourself as I so wish that I could have done the same.
However I am now a MIL and we will always more or less feel protective towards our own children. Your DH is her son. A blood relative , her baby. ( before I get flamed by Mumsnetters who are not MILs and have no experienced what it is like to be one, I am speaking from experience) His Mother sees his point of view because she is his MOTHER. I am surprised you are surprised.
Imagine your child in any situation, if there was two sides to the story, whose side would you take?
Of course she is wrong to behave as she did. Your MIl should have kept her mouth shut. I certainly would have. I listen to critism of my son's by their wives through gritted teeth.
You seem like a feisty fun sort to me so I think you will survive.

Gaaahhh · 25/02/2018 22:18

Thanks hole - I will survive and you are right, she will of course judge me by her standards and I'm sure I'll do the same with my DS. However I hope I won't grump all through lunch and then mutter rude comments afterwards! (More likely to have a full blown row than sneaky mutters, me.....Grin).

But to those who said talk to DH - I have, and suggested we take it in turns, and he said 'but I can't learn to cook'! Put his pathetic face on and said 'kids need a roast, and vegetables'. I said they have veg all the time and I can easily feed them veg without meat, and he got a bit 'hurt' and said don't you care about them and grandma? Grrrrr!!!! Am crosser than ever - he's gone to bed (good job) and I am seething. I'm not a massive fan of roast dinners and neither is DD, although DH and DS think it's the best thing in the world.

Clearly I'm going to be the 'bad person' for a very long time until they all get used to the changes......Smile! But thank you all for supporting the principle, I can always show DH this thread if necessary. (Don't know about MIL - I usually take her shopping each week but am feeling too cross to talk to her right now! However, she is old and mostly means well, I suppose I'll have to be nice......)

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dancinfeet · 25/02/2018 22:23

Why don't you and the kids go out next sunday and leave him and his mother to get on with it? Or better still, cook sunday lunch together, and don't invite MIL?

Gaaahhh · 25/02/2018 22:28

'Half cut' is probably unfair, he'd have had 2 pints max but then a glass of wine with lunch and sat in front of the fire afterwards he was sleepy and annoying!

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Gaaahhh · 25/02/2018 22:31

dancing I will suggest that. It might be nice as his hobby buddy isn't around next week so perhaps a good opportunity to continue his cooking lessons! Grin

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welshmist · 25/02/2018 22:36

You cook a Sunday lunch Shock

When I got married many years ago, I said I am not being a slave in the kitchen on a Sunday, my Mother resented it, my OH hated it at his home, split the day up when he would rather be out and about.

We might once in a blue moon do a Sunday lunch on a miserable winters Sunday, invite friends/family for a relaxing lunch. Otherwise Sunday is a relaxed time with bacon/sausage sandwiches at lunch time or a big brunch with a snack in the evening.

In the summer we prefer to bbq and enjoy the weather when it is possible. Or go out for the day.

We do have a roast, but during the week in the winter.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 25/02/2018 22:40

His business is going to take 25 years to make a profit??

welshmist · 25/02/2018 22:41

I am a MIL and tend to take both my DIL`s side, I know my sons can be thoughtless buggers at times. My MIL always stuck up for me as well.

SavvyBlancBlonde · 25/02/2018 22:42

Why isn’t your husband doing his books on the weekend instead of his second hobby? I’d drop that one back in his lap if I were you

Frombothsidesnow · 25/02/2018 22:47

His Mother sees his point of view because she is his MOTHER.

Well, I'm not a MiL yet but I am able to tell whether my children are behaving badly. I love them but I don't think they're infallible. If my sons decide as adults that they are incapable of cooking some potatoes and pre-prepped veg and then washing up, I'd think they were being ridiculous.

Fruitbat1980 · 25/02/2018 22:51

Christ on a bicycle what are you cooking?! 5 hours?! Your doing it wrong! Buy pork shoulder/ lamb shoulder pork belly, etc cook long and low giant oven dish spuds carrots onions and parsnips at bottom, meat on top, spring of rosemary/ salt and pepper. Bang in oven 130 degrees, leave alone for approx 4 hours. Defrost some peas, make gravy from juice in tray and bisto. 20 mins actual faff. And if your busy and meat gets another 2 hours no probs.

Misses point of thread entirely Grin

Pumpkintopf · 25/02/2018 22:56

Why on earth is your husband expecting you to spend hours cooking whilst he spends all day playing ffs?!

Gaaahhh · 25/02/2018 22:56

Brilliant his business does make a small profit, it's just the mortgage to set it up is ongoing. Hopefully it will be paid off before 25 years but I don't really see the benefit, I'd rather have the money now than when we're in our dotage! If the children were interested in taking it over later then maybe, but I don't think they will be.

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AtSea1979 · 25/02/2018 22:59

So your DH works full time plus another job and you work part time, your DC are school aged. Your DH has Sunday afternoons off work and you resent him that down time?
Do you have time off in the week? Housework doesn’t take that long neither does cooking a roast dinner.
Why don’t you all go out for Sunday lunch a couple of times a month instead. Or get some aunt Bessie’s in, not the same but much easier.
Sounds like this isn’t about who cooks or MIL. Sounds like you resent your DH. I think you need to have a chat with him about division of labour.

bunbunny · 25/02/2018 23:11

I would tell him that if he wants a roast every other weekend then he is more than welcome to make it - and if that means he needs to learn to cook then well done to him, you're happy to give him some pointers if he would like.

Alternating weekends you will be cooking something that you and dd like and that doesn't screw up the rest of the day.

Maybe if there are 5 weekends in a month, you could agree to go out on that 5th weekend (if you say do first and third sunday of the month, he does second and fourth sundays) but if you alternate strictly then you don't need to throw that in as a suggestion.

I know what you mean - I grew up with roasts every Sunday, and a 'proper' saturday meal every saturday lunch too. DH also grew up with roasts every sunday. I don't mind roasts but they're not a favourite by a long shot and not something I would choose to cook very often. DH and DS2 adore them unfortunately whereas ds1 and I would much rather have a steak. I haven't given in to the tyranny of having to have them every weekend although I guess I'm part of the way there as I do try to do something we all sit down to rather than a quick snack.

It also brings back memories of going to a pub with dh and inlaws and being told that there was lots of choice... only to discover it was a carvery that on a sunday lunch wouldn't do any of the other lovely looking things on the menu because they just did a carvery with several different meats. I was horrified and suggested trying to go elsewhere as there was no choice - they were horrified because they thought that as there were several different roast meats to choose from there was loads of choice and why would anyone ever want to eat anything other than a roast for a sunday lunch...