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to be shocked at what my mum just said (Domestic Abuse related).

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PeppersTheCat · 20/02/2018 15:00

I'm being psychologically abused by my DP. He has also hit me a few times, once while pregnant. He is also trying to extract money from me frequently. I have lashed back when provoked, and he reminds me of this frequently.

We have a 6 month old baby together and kids from previous relationships. I'm trying to give enough info without completely outing myself, so sorry if this sounds vague. I am in the middle of a phd. It is an unusual phd in that it requires nights. The uni have very generously given us the use of a flat for free in which DP and baby can stay while I am studying in a nearby lab. This arrangement will enable me to continue to breastfeed. Without this arrangement, I would be away from my baby for at least 48 hours at a time and mentally that would be unbearable for me. I think it would also be unbearable for my baby as we have a string bond - I am his primary carer and do at least 90% of his care.

Whenever I do something which displeases DP, he threatens to withdraw his support of my PhD (support that was agreed upon before our baby was born). A request of his might be to give him £10 for example, at times £100 has been requested. If I refuse he says he will not come to the flat and look after our baby while I do my lab work. This effectively means I would have to give up PhD or hardly see my baby.

My mum is very familiar with my situation. She is literally the only friend I have. She has been aware of all the abuse and has sympathised. Today when I told DP that I couldn't afford to give him any money above what I give him for monthly groceries as I am only part time, he threatened to withdraw phd support. He said we weren't working as a relationship and we need to split up, that he was miserable and fed up of my drama. He does this every now and then to de-stable me. It puts me in a very awkward and stressful situation with my supervisor and the other people relying on me at work.

I phoned my mum in tears today because I was scared of his latest threat. She told me to do whatever it takes to appease him - cook, clean, money, whatever. She said "women clean after all". She is 67 and surely aware of modern times. I said goodbye and hung up before I snapped.

The only person who loves me is telling me to appease him. I will now be 1950s housewife and also empty my bank account for him. I have no choice other than do this or lose my career or lose the bond with my baby.

Keyboard kings and Women's Aid say LTB but they don't understand the multifaceted risks at stake. I am in chains and live in terror every day.

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whiskyowl · 20/02/2018 15:31

He's an absolute sodding bastard. He knows he has you over a barrel, and he's milking it for all it is worth.

You need to get yourself away from this man as soon as you possibly can, without jeopardising everything you have worked for. Have you checked with your university whether there is any additional support on offer? I appreciate that childcare at night is an unusual request, but there may be funds to assist you with a night nanny. It may not even be that expensive if you are able to offer accommodation.

Is there any chance that you can finish your PhD earlier, using the data you already have? Speak to your supervisor, and explain the situation. They should be able to help. If you were my student, I'd be bending over backwards to get you out of nights so that you could be away from this abusive git.

diddl · 20/02/2018 15:31

"If your DH is an above average earner why is he asking you for £10 for a pizza? "

Because he's abusive.

Hefzi · 20/02/2018 15:31

Support could be emotional support, or understanding if sometimes you're not on the ball (because of stress at home) rather than a bollocking for being behind/slow/whatever, or signposting you to other services to help you eg counselling, the hardship fund (money for childcare etc), external services etc, or advocating on your behalf with the university (supporting your request to suspend, for example, or arguing for you to be able to retain your accommodation whilst you studies are suspended etc)

It's not from prurient interest - it's just that students often under-estimate what help is available, and if we don't know what someone is going through, we aren't able to help and support them. Or if your supervisor seems unapproachable, how about speaking with someone else, in your department, or the graduate school, or student services etc?

Your "partner" sounds dreadful, to be honest (I wouldn't tell you that if you were my student, obviously!) and you really don't need to choose between finishing a PhD and getting shot of him. Why is he entitled to money from your stipend for his treats, ffs? Yes, I know it's family money, but he should also be paying his way...

Wakeuptortoise · 20/02/2018 15:31

Why is he asking you for money if he is earning above average? He is trying to drain away all your resources so you are utterly dependant on him.
The only benefit of him is as childcare then I would dump his ass. Stay in your PhD flat or move to your mum's, hire a mothers help, bight time babysitter. Talk to your supervisor. they may be able to point you toward extra financial, childcare support.
Talk to women's aid too.
He's worse than useless.

pallisers · 20/02/2018 15:32

If your DH is an above average earner why is he asking you for £10 for a pizza?

PLEASE can any of you answer this?????

Because he is abusive, wants to hurt you, loves having power over you, doesn't like you and doesn't love you.

Your abuse has put you in a corner where you can only see things from one distorted point of view - must finish PhD, must have his help, must put up with crap etc. No. None of those things are a must. Must be safe is the only must.

No phd is worth this. Tell him to leave, go to your advisor and ask for help, get childcare (anything would be better than an abusive man minding your child).

FizzyGreenWater · 20/02/2018 15:34

Yes, I would suspend the PhD and leave him.

The most important thing is getting away from him. (Yes I'm an academic, yes I have completed a PhD which involved a ton of lab work, btw). There is far less usefulness in prioritising getting the PhD completed now if the cost is your savings, total destabilisation of you, your baby and your homelife, possibly getting assaulted and ending up in the kind of mess (or deeper in with this total prick) which means you won't progress the career the PhD is supposed to facilitate anyway.

What I would do is this. If you have a year to go and are still doing lab work, then you are presumably not out of your funded period (if you are funded). Move quickly, if you are funded and wish to suspend then you need to do it a certain distance away from the end of the funded period, before you are in receipt of the last part of the stipend etc. SPEAK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR. Tell them what is going on and make it clear that you need to suspend or there's a chance you won't get to a point where you can complete.

Suspend. Dump the abusive dick. Move back in with your mum if possible. Report the abuse to the police. Spend the next six months with your baby.

Go back at an appropriate time and do the last year, by which time your baby can be in childcare, hopefully on campus/near to the labs, and hopefully your lab hours can work around that.

Yes, I know, so easy to write out but FULL of complication and difficulty. But that needs to be the overall plan, I think. Talk to your supervisor first and if appropriate get your second supervisor involved too.

PeppersTheCat · 20/02/2018 15:34

When he threatens to with draw support, do you mean he refuses to parent his own child of an evening ?

Yes, at the flat next to the lab.

ask if you can move into to it permenantly

I cant. it is only for use during my research. It is uni property.

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Cindie943811A · 20/02/2018 15:34

OP diary all his demands as evidence of controlling and coercive behaviour as this may be useful in the future re his suitability to get custody or if you need to get an order against him.
I know it goe against the grain to postpone your degree but you will gain time to enjoy your baby and to sort alternative care so you can LTB. None of the good times can make the stress you are living under worthwhile.
He has shown his true colours.
Good luck.

grannytomine · 20/02/2018 15:34

PeppersTheCat if you are at a university have you thought of using a student as a babysitter? My DD did this at uni for a nursing student when she was on placement. The baby was a good sleeper so DD found it a pleasant part-time job.

PeppersTheCat · 20/02/2018 15:36

Guys, should I show my supervisor this thread, or would it be melodramatic and/or unprofessional?

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FizzyGreenWater · 20/02/2018 15:37

Oh and yes pizzas, whatever - doesn't matter, of course he can afford a pizza.

The idea is to create problems for you. To beat you down and make life unmanageable.

He will not allow you to finish your PhD, and he won't allow you to be independent and earning and going forward with your career, either. This is the beginning of his antics, when he sees you getting furhter along, and futher out of his control.

So you really may as well leave him even if it's almost impossible. Staying with him and finishing the phd is truly pointless- he won't let you lead the kind of fulfilling life where you use it, where you have a career, anyway.

Get away, get away, get away.

sadie9 · 20/02/2018 15:38

So does you DP have to drive you and the baby over to the flat, stay there (is it overnight, all night?) and then drive you back next morning and go over again the following day.
Or does he pack everything up, and drive over with you and stay the 2 full days each week then you all go back to your actual home?
There would be a case for him to just stay at home with the baby.

RebeccaWithTheGoodHair · 20/02/2018 15:39

OK, so a couple of practical questions:

  • how old are your other children?
  • does their father live close to your rental property
  • is the rental property close to your DM
  • are you on good enough terms with your children's father(s) to help out with their care whilst you and the baby stay at the flat

I genuinely think you should talk to the supervisor/uni pastoral care to find out just what is possible for you. It could be there are family flats available on the campus where you, the baby and your other children could live whilst you finish your studies. Until you ask you won't know and it could be good news!

OhCalamity · 20/02/2018 15:39

Could you advertise for a student who wants to earn a few quid to sleepover in the university apartment with your baby while you work? It would be easy money and you are right next door. I'd have done it for booze money when I was in Uni.

Hissy · 20/02/2018 15:40

What is your DM situation? is she in a relationship? was her partner abusive?

IME my mother betrayed me to keep me in an abusive relationship. me getting free would make HER look bad, it would mean SHE had the worst life.

You need to make friends with others, can you swap help for childcare with someone? could you ask someone at the lab/uni?

your mum and P know they have you where it suits them. You need to take back your life from these people

So get someone in the wings, the next time that slimy parasite asks for cash, you haven't got it.

billybagpuss · 20/02/2018 15:40

I wouldn't worry too much about your mum, she was probably looking at it from how she'd deal with it which is the path of least resistance.

I think you do need to leave him but your DC is getting older so it should be possible to make arrangements to continue your PHD. You only have a year left, how many nights a week do you need to work? could you make arrangement for antisocial hours childminder to stay in the flat while you do your research.

I know you are feeling very isolated at the moment and probably can't see the wood from the trees but start making lists of things that need solving then search for a solution. There will be ways you can make this work without him and please ask your uni what ways they can help too. Reach out I'm sure there will be solutions. Good luck

HollyBayTree · 20/02/2018 15:41

I cant. it is only for use during my research. It is uni property

Don't say cant, you can ask - see your supervisor/tutor/ pastoral lead.

And as an aside - if you are working 2 nights then the family is in the flat so they are already living there 2 nights a week - are any of the othe chlden yours? If so, see if you can arrange the child care so that one of your other ex's can have the children those nights.

PeppersTheCat · 20/02/2018 15:42

I am sobbing at this thread. You all speak the truth. I needed your truth and I needed your hand holding.

I wish I could befriend his ex, as she was terrorised by him too. The police even warned me about him.

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BarbarianMum · 20/02/2018 15:42

Well your mum is right. If you plan to live with him until you finish your PhD you need to appease him to keep yourself and your children safe. Or you can suspend your PhD and throw his sorry arse out. Or you can look for someone to do nights w your child whilst you finish (you may find a student willing to do this if you can pay enough).

There is no magic wand here, just tough choices.

FizzyGreenWater · 20/02/2018 15:42

You could do - there is no reason why not. Whether that would be useful for you kind of depends on your supervisor and their personality. Some might respond better to a more factual and directed set of information, for example (not saying they wouldn't be sympathetic or anything of course).

What might be more useful is you setting out in writing how he is abusing you in practical terms and how that is affecting your studies more and more, both in terms of putting you under incredible stress AND withdrawing necessary practical support. Having this to hand when you discuss it will make it clearer to your supervisor exactly what the situation is and how it is getting more critical for your phd.

Then TELL them that you need to suspend, providing the timetable for what you need to achieve to get back to a point where you could pick up. ie moving out, getting settled, dealing with practicalities, taking time out until your baby is able to be in childcare over extended periods so that you can deal with the lab work.

They should really want to help.

WiseOldHag · 20/02/2018 15:45

Guys, should I show my supervisor this thread

yes

Starlighter · 20/02/2018 15:45

It sounds like he is using this PhD situation as a form of control. I’d be concerned his requests will become even more demanding over the next 12 months.

There is no way to appease people like this. You will never be able to do enough. You’re doing too much for him already.

I would prioritise yours and your dds safety and well-being over the PhD for now. Speak to your uni. I’m sure they are experienced in situations like this and will help you if they can.

Good luck OP. Flowers

SofieMonde · 20/02/2018 15:46

Get a restraining order against him

WellThisIsShit · 20/02/2018 15:47

Right, so let’s just separate out the hurt you feel about being told to suck up the abuse from your mum.

That must have hurt so much, even if your mum didn’t mean it to, but I’m just putting that aside for a bit so I can understand the practical options involved.

So you desperately want to finish your PhD, which is important to you of course - does it also give you a jump start in terms of future career options?

Ways to finish PhD:

  1. Stay in dysfunctional relationship by suffering and appeasement. Hope you are ‘allowed’ to finish the PhD in this uncertain situation where an aggressor has all the power
  2. Split up... with a plan!
This doesn’t mean the instant panic you seem to think it does. But, I can see why you feel like it does, it’s very hard to see your way out of an abusive relationship. Especially when you’re currently dependent on the abuser for some element of daily life.

So, let’s work out exactly what you do need/want, because it’s not a replacement him!

So, are you ok for childcare for your other children when you’re doing nights? You don’t mention this so I’m assuming their not coming to the flat too?

What does your ‘partner’ threaten is going to happen if you split up? That he has the baby when you do nights but he doesn’t come to the uni flat? Or that he refuses to look after his baby on those nights at all, leaving childcare to you and saying that this means it will force you to give up the PhD altogether?

If he will look after the baby at night then that might be a help for you in the end.

If not, then you need to start problem solving about how to arrange overnight care for the baby. Can the baby go with your older children?

Or, If your money isn’t being stolen /coerced out of you, can you afford someone to stay overnight with the youngest in the uni flat?

You say if this partner doesn’t stay overnight in the flat you won’t get to see or breastfeed the baby for 48 hrs straight. How does the proximity of the flat help after the actual night shift and you being able to pop in from the lab? No need for too many details, but I’m just trying to understand what the partner would need replacing with!

Basically, by picking it all apart, and finding solutions for one bit at a time, you can come up with a plan. If you want to leave.

You also need to think about what is the minimum time you would want to breast feed for, & this is such a personal thing, only you can answer it. When you are thinking about this, gently and very nicely push yourself... I clung to breast feeding because I had to go back to work before I was ready, and it became a symbol of everything. But actually when we finally did stop bf, it wasn’t a big deal and it didn’t affect our bond at all, although when it was caught up with work, I’d been sure it would break the special bond we had forever. Obviously that’s me and you’re you, but I did want to share that and gently ask if, well, if everything else was better (like, if you weren’t scared and abused every moment of every day, and controlled by someone who holds your PhD over your head all the time), well, if those things were fixed, and your baby had a happier, more relaxed mummy, would it be such a desperate thing to reduce breast feeding one night a week / express or make some other changes that might help make it easier to get a plan up and running?

And tbh yes, maybe there is an element of appeasement in this plan, but only if it’s working towards a plan to leave (eg you need to keep this situation going for another x weeks), as appeasing an abuser as a way of life never, ever works.

Hope some of this is useful, I can feel your desperation through your post. I can also see how torn you are. Keeping an unsupportable situation going is a very hard thing to do.

turnaroundbrighteyes · 20/02/2018 15:51

What's your relationship with your ex like?

It would be a big ask but would he look after baby whilst you do your lab work on the understanding that long term having a PhD will be beneficial to all your children including with him. Obviously very hard being away from baby, but temporary and worth it?

Or does the college have any childcare students who would baby sit in the flat?

Either way ltb