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Entitled daughters

60 replies

ciele · 20/02/2018 08:11

I have always suffered from anxiety, diagnosed GAD and take anti depressants and propanalol to counter pounding heart beat etc.
My husband and mother both add to my stress levels and daughters who are young women (one still at home but working and saving for deposit) still behave like brats at times.
AIBU to just meditate and try to ignore? I feel like setting off a rape alarm to set their nerves jangling!

OP posts:
FannyWisdom · 20/02/2018 08:44

Don't worry Ciele it isn't you.

Some mardy twats around.....

Have you some headphones, even if you just sit pretending to listen you can get a bit of peace.
Try being brutally blunt I.e. You are boring/agitating me go away. Then stick an audio book on or some agadoo.

They seem to grow up so much faster yet retain the ability to need as much looking after as a toddler. It does grind you down.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 20/02/2018 08:45

Are you self diagnosed? Are you following the advice of your dr to alleviate your anxiety?

RadioGaGoo · 20/02/2018 08:46

At least you can be grateful that you don't have to live with Phosphorus OP.

Greenglassteacup · 20/02/2018 08:47

She is taking prescribed medication Hmm

Greenglassteacup · 20/02/2018 08:47

Indicating that she has seen her GP

rollingonariver · 20/02/2018 08:49

You need to tell them they need to act like adults or move out now. A lot of people don't get the luxury of living at home to save for a deposit and it is a luxury! They need to treat it as such, from the sounds of things they're old enough to look after themselves. You need to put yourself first.

LagunaBubbles · 20/02/2018 08:50

Living with someone with anxiety is not easy. My DH had years of it and it nearly broke our marriage up and it would have if he didn't seek help. It wasn't easy but he changed his behaviour. Since you haven't said exactly what your family have done it's difficult to tell really. I found some of my DHs behaviour incredibly frustrating and weary especially when he wouldnt help himself. What treatment are you receiving OP?

Clandestino · 20/02/2018 09:08

Why can't you introduce some rules on living in your house for your daughters?
If they earn money, they either get out or adhere to certain rules. Doesn't mean it's back to the creche but they need to cop on and support you or be out. I think more people gave you the advice. Fuck the over entitled brats. A bit of a hard life haven't damage anyone. You don't owe them anything at this stage.

FannyWisdom · 20/02/2018 09:12

Is it just me?
How is telling OP how hard it is for her family helping owt?
The OP has an illness, she isn't being arsey.

Lizzie48 · 20/02/2018 09:20

I echo what some PPs have said about MH issues being very hard for family members to deal with. I have complex PTSD and I know that my DH feels like he's walking on eggshells some of the time. I try to hide it from my DDs but probably not completely.

This isn't to excuse selfish behaviour on the part of your DDs BTW, but it might help you to cut them a little slack. You all need to talk this through and agree some ground rules. Setting off a rape alarm won't damage their hearing, but it won't achieve anything apart from making them think your MH issues are getting worse.

LagunaBubbles · 20/02/2018 09:26

Fanny because it's relevant that's why. Having an illness such as anxiety can make it incredibly tough for the people the sufferer lives with. Of course it doesn't stop people being arses either but it's didifficult to say as OP hasn't said why she thinks her family are being entitled.

LemonysSnicket · 20/02/2018 09:33

Maybe a horn rather than a rape alarm would be a better device?

ciele · 20/02/2018 09:41

I am not anxious all the time as I’m on medication including pregabelin, duloxtine and propanalol.
These are for GAD and pain because of disability.
They can be lovely. My husband can be fine. As can my mother.
But sometimes they don’t act as I would wish adults would.
I am sometimes embarrassed by their behaviour and sometimes just sets my nerves off.
I try to not let it show but although I often speak frankly and calmly ( I was a secondary school teacher so well versed in all that) I was wondering if anyone had any bright ideas.
I like a calm life but don’t want to alienate my family.
Probably just need to be more stoical!

OP posts:
Hissy · 20/02/2018 09:53

Ok, so you have called this thread Entitled Daughters, yet the most you mention here is your DH and your mother

why are they contributing to so much of your stress? Does you mother live with you ?

If not, then that's one place to start, limiting exposure to her if she adds to your stress

With DH, you need to find a way to gain the space and calm you need

For your DDs - let off some rockets! You have one living there as a favour so she can save money, so therefore she needs to behave more gratefully. Ultimately, if you aren't happy with the situation, she CAN move out and rent. Your MH and well being are more important than her bank balance. She can get another job or a second job, or she can accept that renting is OK.

Sounds like you have spent a lifetime of putting everyone else first and they now are following that lead and you are not figuring in anyone's list of priorities

Loonoon · 20/02/2018 09:53

My life became so much easier when I realised I was not responsible for other adults in my life. Of course I help out and support when it's within my capabilities but it's not my responsibility to fix things for them or keep them happy. So I don't mediate between quarrelling siblings anymore, their relationship is up,to them now. I don't try and cheer up my grumpy elderly relations, I am not their court jester. When DH 'can't find' (a eupehemism for being too lazy to look for it) something, I longer search for it for him whilst resenting his hopelessness, I let him sort himself out whilst repeating my mantra 'I'm your wife, not your nanny'. If the recycling piles up because no one can be arsed to walk through the back door to put it in the bins, Imleave it there.

And to my surprise everyone gets on fine without me running round like a lunatic. Treating them like adults has meant they act like adults.

Hissy · 20/02/2018 09:54

Probably just need to be more stoical!

Possibly this is the seed of your GAD...

Riv · 20/02/2018 09:56

You are having a really hard time, so sorry OP.
I suspect it will be quite hard for you to attempt to analyse just what it is that your relatives do that make things so difficult for you. It tends to get so mixed up when you are depressed and everything seems to become too much.
Have you access to any talking therapies? Maybe they could help you sort out the specifics of what is bothering you.
Telling your dear relatives that they are getting you down without specifics doesn't give anyone a chance to change and may just make them depressed too. But I suspect you know that.
It will really help if you can make a list of the things that your dm, dds and dh are doing that are upsetting. Do it when you are not with them if possible so you can try to be a bit objective. Then you can tackle the problems in small steps.
Its usually easier to deal with "I find it difficult when you xxxxx" Than "You are impossible to live with" or "Your dreadful behaviour is making me ill".

Riv · 20/02/2018 10:03

Loo has some good advice too. You are responsible for you, not for everyone else. You need to give yourself permission to look after yourself and allow them to sort themselves out. Tell them they are adults and they need to take responsibility for themselves.
Check "is it my problem?" yes.. then I sort it.
"is it their problem?" they sort it.
"Can I help?" Only if asked, very specifically asked, then it's HELP not solving.
(including the stuff that is annoying and upsetting you. )

Kleinzeit · 20/02/2018 10:06

It's hard to say without specifics because everyone behaves like brats "at times" so it really depends how often and how much. In a family people can disagree about how much they're entitled to and sometimes they do need to be reminded what the limits and boundaries are.

They can be lovely. My husband can be fine. As can my mother. But sometimes they don’t act as I would wish adults would.

Well, no-one is perfect and so long as they are lovely and fine towards you most of the time it is probably OK. And people can't always behave like adults, especially not in the family.

I am sometimes embarrassed by their behaviour and sometimes just sets my nerves off.

That could be a social anxiety thing(?) They are adults, they are responsible for their own behaviour, it doesn't reflect on you.

I try to not let it show but although I often speak frankly and calmly ( I was a secondary school teacher so well versed in all that) I was wondering if anyone had any bright ideas.

Have you ever looked into transactional analysis? It's all about shifting effectively between parent/child/adult ways of communicating. I know people who use it to manage communication at work without alienating people , as well as with family relationships.

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corythatwas · 20/02/2018 10:06

It is really difficult to advise you when you don't tell us what you do: we have no means of judging whether they are, in fact, behaving like spoilt brats or whether your anxiety makes you react to normal behaviour. Also, whether your expectations are clear and consistent or whether your anxiety makes them unpredictable.

GrannyGrissle · 20/02/2018 10:10

The rape alarm is genius.You can Pavlov's dogs them into better behaviour. Might steal this idea to try on DD.

ciele · 20/02/2018 10:16

Thank you for the help. I especially liked the ‘whose problem?’ I think I do take on every one else’s problems and that’s a really useful way to think about things.
I am outspoken but also a people pleaser.
For those who asked about brattish behaviour: DD1 could see I was putting tea out. That is a very difficult task for me because of disability. She barged in my way. I told her to move. She could see what I was doing but had probably forgotten how hard it is for me. She stomped off and banged about. This is not unusual.
DD2: at a place full of elderly and infirm people who were looking for a seat. I told her to stand up and said to them she would be helping her grandmother so could give up her chair. She gave me a filthy stare. I told her (privately) I was embarrassed by her behaviour.

OP posts:
ciele · 20/02/2018 10:18

My expectations are consistent. They have not been brought up to behave so selfishly.
I am just disappointed but as I say need to learn to cope better myself.
I must remind myself not to take other’s problems.

OP posts:
GwenStaceyRocks · 20/02/2018 10:21

It's difficult to advise when you haven't given any examples. If your OP was about randomly setting off a rape alarm at irregular intervals so they experience constant anxiety about the noise then I doubt that would be productive.
I appreciate you meditate and have medication. Have you tried talking therapy?
Your DDs may just have different personalities from you so they don't see the stress they're creating. I have two DSIS who thrive on drama. Living with them as a child was a constant rollercoaster. I prefer a calm environment.
However, we grew up with a parent with anxiety and depression and that had a massive impact on us all. Our house rarely felt stable iyswim because it was at the whim of someone's moods. My DSIS' response was to assimilate that behaviour. My response was to try to limit exposure to it.

GardenGeek · 20/02/2018 10:25

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