Death of man in Westminster Tube Station

[LittleLostLion]

So, I saw this as I was walking to work this week. I experienced a range of emotions when I read the man had died [for those of you that don't know this man was experiencing homelessness and died a few hundred feet from the Houses of Parliament].

Quite an outpouring of how unacceptable this was from some MPs including Jeremy Corbyn, as well as charities who were supporting the man.

It's now being reported that he had been deported twice, the first time because he had sexually abused a child and had a prison sentence, the second for re-entering the UK illegally.

Connections have been reporting on how they have been supporting this man to find a job - AIBU to think they should be doing background checks on people before they start helping them source work?

All I can think of is this had the potential to be Alice Gross all over again. Why the hell haven't we learnt our lessons?

strawberries as a minor at 17 your local social services should have ensured you had accommodation and financial support if you had no home. Then, if still in care, there should be further support until 21. That was my understanding of local authorities statutory duty, but it's a few years since I was involved with homeless applicants.

If he had been deported twice, then I doubt he'd have been able to work legally anyway? So there is little a charity could have done to help him long term.

What the full picture reveals is how quick nice Jeremy Corbyn was to strand on the grave of a dead man to wave his virtue at us.

perhaps knee jerk 'niceness' isn't so clever. Al least he can rely on the BBC not to report it.

Well said Maud.

Should Jeremy Corbyn, or anyone else, only be concerned about someone dying in those circumstances if they are an upright, tax paying citizen?

"Should Jeremy Corbyn.. only be concerned about someone dying in those circumstances if they are an upright, tax paying citizen?"

No, and an upright tax paying citizen is unlikely to be homeless.
They point I'm making is that Jeremy Corbyn would not have touched the situation with a barge pole if he had known of the man's background. For proof see his deafening silence on the subject since the revelations. He thought it was a quick and easy goal to score, and the moment it wasn't he vanished.

The houses where corbyn lives are 3/4 bedrooms. Didn't see him offering anyone his spare room (although he did have a lodger who wrote for the daily mail at one point, apparently). He likes to talk about putting other people's money where his mouth is!

Not that I don't think there should be more help for the homeless; I just think corbyn is a useless backbench tosser.

Actually it is quite easy for an upright tax paying citizen to end up homeless.

“Actually it is quite easy for an upright tax paying citizen to end up homeless.”

Yes, but unlikely. As I wrote.

Why is it unlikely? Plenty of working teenagers end up homeless after problems at home, people end up homeless after relationship break ups.

Unlikely means not what you would expect. Are you saying you expect most homeless people have jobs and pay tax?

No I'm saying it is not unlikely that an upstanding tax paying person can find themselves homeless.

Have you got any stats for that, granny? E.g. demographic breakdown of the uk's homeless - how many are ex forces; how many went on the streets at a young age after time in care; how many came here from other countries; how many are former "upright tax payers"; how many of them won't tell (usually for fear of being deported)?

I don't know, so would be v interested to se a link that breaks it down. But my instinct is that the number of former tax payers who've lost it all and ended up on the street is a lot smaller than some of those other categories.

Background is relevant because it will give you some information on why the man was homeless.
There was a case in Ireland when a man died on the street. Vigils, candles lit, people blaming the government. Turned out, the man would have sold his soul for drugs and despite help from family and social services and whoever involved her remained faithful to his only love in life which was drugs.
Another case was a guy who was a sex offender and a child abuser. This was also relevant because those people are restricted on where they can live etc. Not sure about all the bleeding hearts but I don't want to see a convicted child abuser living next to my house or even in the same estate or town.

It doesn't matter if it is smaller it still isn't unlikely that it happens. I haven't got stats, got experience from previous career.

Clandestino is a sex offender less of a risk if he is sleeping rough? I would have thought that for probation and police service it would be alot easier to monitor if they knew where he was.

"No I'm saying it is not unlikely that an upstanding tax paying person can find themselves homeless."

1. You said "..it is quite easy for an upright tax paying citizen to end up homeless.”

2.Yes it is unlikely if they are still earning enough money (10k+) a year to pay tax. I suspect your observations and subsequent arguments are based on people who once paid tax, but circumstances turned against them and now they are homeless. Its called association fallacy.

Furthermore granny I suspect you were duly appalled at the revelations of the President's Club? This man raped a 9 year old girl. Where does that fit in you pantheon of misdemeanors?

I loathe the idea people sleep rough on our streets. We are a wealthy nation, it just shouldn't happen. Regarding this individual, I don't have one ounce of sympathy. Abusing children and being deported then ignoring the law doesn't score highly on my 'awwww poor soul' meter.

grannytomine - from what I know it was his decision.
also, would you want to have a sex offender and a child abuser living next to you? I am honest enough to say no way and I don't care if a child abuser freezes to death.

But do you care if sex offenders go off the radar and the police and probation services can't monitor them?

Maud raping a girl is a terrible crime but letting people freeze to death on our streets isn't exactly civilized.

grannytomine He had been deported twice. The government owed him nothing, he shouldn't have been here. Do you think we should deport then when deportees arrive back here illegally house them?

"..raping a girl is a terrible crime but letting people freeze to death on our streets isn't exactly civilized."

Granny, there's whole chunks of this planet that aren't exactly civilised, and plenty of it washes up here. We can all help. We could all do more, but it's the posturing ideologues who claim they can end society's injustices that are the real enemies of civilisation. Always have been.

You can't man-handle the homeless into shelters if they don't want to go.

The choice is theirs.

As far as I'm concerned granny.
It's one less dirty nonce on our planet to have to worry about harming our children,GC neices and nephews.