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Why can’t America ban automatic weapons?

905 replies

MaryPoppinsPenguins · 14/02/2018 22:42

I don’t get it. I honestly don’t. After Sandy Hook that should have been enough... statistics speak for themselves.

Why? What don’t I get?

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Rinoachicken · 16/02/2018 21:52

Gah I missed out 2007! Sorry let me do that again:

2005 - 1.4
2006 - 1.7
2007 - 1.5
2008 - 2.4
2009 - 2.0
2010 - 1.8
2011 - 2.0

Julie8008 · 16/02/2018 21:52

What about putting roof/wall mounted assault weapons in each school classroom and a professional operator remotely observing/controlling them. Like a fixed drone. So no need for a teacher to carry a gun and if a student pulls out a gun or opens fire in a school the remote operator can start firing back, no need to wait for the police. In the future they could even be controlled by an AI for speed and accuracy.

Solution for a society addicted to guns?

birdseye2010 · 16/02/2018 21:53

It really is not affluent. Where did you get that?

it's in the middle.

but we can play that game with real affluent white non-urban places. The lowest homicide states are New Hampshire (all the characteristics), Hawaii and Vermont have the lowest homicide rates, and all are higher than London.

bluepears · 16/02/2018 21:55

goo.gl/images/GJczCh shows banning guns didnt have an effect in England

Julie8008 · 16/02/2018 21:55

I do live rurally and I am also glad of guns near the school for bears

Wouldn't it be better to have a professional bear hunter protecting rural schools. Rather than having parents and pupils bringing weapons of mass destruction to a building with lots of vulnerable young children?

Rinoachicken · 16/02/2018 21:55

Julie they should give this new AI sharp shooting system a cool name...Skynet??

Huntinginthedark · 16/02/2018 21:55

As many others have said
The ability to disengage yourself from murder with a gun is huge.
Stabbing someone and shooting someone are very different.
Mass stabbing - whole other level

I just can’t understant how it’s possible to not see that automatic weapon ownership is a bad thing and gun ownership in general

OlennasWimple · 16/02/2018 21:55

Grin at Maine being described as affluent

This is an interesting graph ranking assessments of the most effective gun control laws against support from the US public

(One would have thought that there would be near 100% support for not selling guns to known terrorists, but distrust of the government rears its head....)

birdseye2010 · 16/02/2018 22:00

at Maine being described as affluent

Maine is neither poor nor affluent. They are ranked 30 for income, but above them are two oil rich states. So, they are pretty much in the middle.

OlennasWimple · 16/02/2018 22:00

The gun death stats here seem to mix up deaths and homicides. For example, I would wager that most of the deaths in Maine and Alaska are suicides and accidents, rather than homicides

ineedamoreadultieradult · 16/02/2018 22:00

Kursk and when is the last time someone near the school had to shoot a bear?

birdseye2010 · 16/02/2018 22:01

I do live rurally and I am also glad of guns near the school for bears

but rural guns aren't the problem. having a rifle to a shoot a bear is pretty reasonable. Having a hand gun while you shop less so.

Julie8008 · 16/02/2018 22:02

Sorry bluepears the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center was debunked as a fraud. Those statistics you linked to were faked.

Rinoachicken · 16/02/2018 22:02

bluepears

There has not been a single mass shooting in the UK since the ban. I’d say that counts as having a pretty positive effect???!!!

And even your graph show the level dropping to 0.07 per 100,000 by the end. And it was NEVER more than 0.2 per 100,000. Whereas I don’t think there is even a single STATE in America with a ratio lower that 1.0!

BigChocFrenzy · 16/02/2018 22:03

The main reason why countries like Switzerland can have a gun in every house, but very low rates of gun crime:

The Swiss traditionally keep guns after National Service (with much training) to protect against possible foreign invaders

In the US, people - often untrained - mostly want guns to protect the selves against their fellow Americans
Unfortunately, the angry / mentally ill shooters, often white supremacist / far-right nutters, want guns for the same reason - and they think everyone is their enemy, even children.

People who just want guns for farming or hunting, whether in Europe or the US, are unlikely to be a problem

Rinoachicken · 16/02/2018 22:04

Those statistics you linked to were faked.

😂 so even our fake stats are better than America’s real stats

ivykaty44 · 16/02/2018 22:06

Who was the man in Carlisle who went round killing people?

Julie8008 · 16/02/2018 22:06

Rinoachicken Lol yes

ToffeeUp · 16/02/2018 22:08

Do they use AR-15's for shooting bears?

BigChocFrenzy · 16/02/2018 22:10

Statistics: Mass shootings in the US

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

Horrific charts & summaries of massacres in that link
1,624 mass shootings in 1,870 days
No other developed nation comes close to the rate of US gun violence.

Data from the Gun Violence Archive reveals there is a mass shooting
– defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter
nine out of every 10 days on average

97 children killed in school shootings since 1989
(plus hundreds more shot dead at home, or outside)

Why can’t America ban automatic weapons?
Huntinginthedark · 16/02/2018 22:11

@ToffeeUp
Exactly
The moronic excuses people give are quite astounding

ivykaty44 · 16/02/2018 22:11

Blueprars - the graph shows a one person increase per 100 000 people at most - that’s not a large amount of difference

ivykaty44 · 16/02/2018 22:13

www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/02/cumbria-shootings-slaughter-countryside-derrick-bird

Here this incident with 12 dead

Exiguous · 16/02/2018 22:13

Wouldn't it be better to have a professional bear hunter protecting rural schools. Rather than having parents and pupils bringing weapons of mass destruction to a building with lots of vulnerable young children?

I absolutely loathe guns and I actively support gun control.

But I do not feel the need for this solution. Many of the staff at DD's school are trained hunters. They don't bring the guns into school but they have them nearby. This is fine with me. The cost of round the clock bear hunters (it's a boarding school) would be ridiculous and unnecessary.

bluepears · 16/02/2018 22:15

Sorry bluepears the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center was debunked as a fraud. Those statistics you linked to were faked.

they wernt fake www.ft.com/content/557761ea-b4b2-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399 every stat shows the ban came in place and it had no effect goo.gl/images/7zvcHc
and your forgetting Cumbria 2010