PIP benefit fraud?

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Dss1 (20) is currently at college. He lives with paternal grandparents and has for the past 2-3 years. In that time he has held down a couple of part time jobs as well as attending his college course. He has a small amount of savings because GPs didn't charge board, covered all food/petrol costs etc. His girlfriend also lives there with him.

Unfortunately, FIL passed away recently and Mil is unable to continue to cover the full costs. Dss isnt working at the moment but is actively looking and applying for jobs daily.

He has attempted to apply for job seekers allowance but was told that his mother is claiming PIP/DLA for him and he needs her permission to apply for jsa.

He wasn't aware that she was getting this benefit, he certainly does not need it and, since he doesn't live with her, it is not supporting him. She will not cancel the claim or remove herself as his appointee so he can cancel it.

Does anybody know what he can do? I have advised him to visit Citizens advice and possibly look into getting some legal advice but he's worried he may get his mum into trouble

Penfold- thanks!

OP- does he need an appointee?

Damn I have to go back and read don’t I?

I don't believe he needs an appointee. I will see what cab have advised and then suggest he contact adult safeguarding

Your child gets Dla till 16 then moves onto pip if child is deemed that he can't look after his own finances then the parent gets control of this phone up pip and ask when claim started how much gets paid and tell them you weren't aware you were getting this as you have never received any money and no longer stay at address he needs to do this as she will continue to get this and she will also get carer's allowance for him if he won't do it u do it also he won't phone up but yet his mum won't give permission for him to go onto JSA the reason is she doesn't want them thinking he's fit to work so benefit will stop

Cab were unable to offer any practical advice - just suggested he ask his mum to give him the money she receives for him. His mums response was 'fuck off'.

Dp is going to call Pip tomorrow and contact adult social services to try to get this resolved

You can get pip without a assesment. Its called a paper based assessment but only enough evidence and is very rare. Get him to ring pip and ask whats going on

So someone has spoken to DWP about this, they probably have referred it for fraud investigation. Years ago I worked for the DHSS and if someone rang in alleging fraud we are not to mention it to the caller that it would be referred in case it got back to the claimant but it would be referred.

he won't phone up but yet his mum won't give permission for him to go onto JSA the reason is she doesn't want them thinking he's fit to work so benefit will stop

You can work and receive PIP.

CAB won't offer much advice accept to say contact pip which one of u should and explain everything asap

Just wondering how your dh got on talking to the pip people?

You can work and receive PIP.

That's what I thought. If you can work and receive PIP you must be able to claim JSA too (if available for work). The whole thing sounds very odd. I can't help but wonder if someone has misunderstood somewhere along the line....

He can claim Jsa but not without his mother there to sign with him which she is not willing to do. He has spoken to Pip today and they've told him to write to them explaining the situation and they can then look into revoking her as the appointee. I've sat and written the letter with him this evening and will post it tomorrow.

this is truly atrocious OP.. I've never heard of such 'entrapment' of benefits... does the system not care that his Mother has been claiming money for him that he clearly does not receive.... it's incredible

I had the same happen, when my youngest niece came to live with me. Her father refused to give up her carer’s Allowance. It took weeks to sort it.

was he getting DLA as a child and then she has got it transferred to PIP. I find it odd if he hasn't got recent medical evidence though as transferring to PIP at 16 is a whole new application and assessment. very odd. As others have said - claiming JSA wouldn't be affected by claiming PIP.

I'm amazed she's managed to get away with it for so long

Hopefully, Pip will be able to sort it and we won't have to go down the social services route.

DH had a problem many years ago with his mother claiming benefits on his behalf when her wasn't living with her. A solicitor's letter sorted it out (i.e. scared her).

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