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to write to Women’s Aid and ask you to do the same if you value their services

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CircleSquareCircleSquare · 05/02/2018 19:05

I am horrified to hear Women’s Aid are considering charging their policy meaning they may allow trans women (biological men) to work in their women’s refuges.

If you value safe spaces for women, please, please consider talking out.

I have written to them today with a heart felt plea. It isn’t a succinct or well thought out letter but it is from my heart:

Dear Women’s Aid,

In 1992 the violence my father subjected my mother, and eventually my brother and myself, to for ten years ended. It ended because my mother had the courage to escape, knowing she had a safe space for us at a Women’s Aid refuge in the south east of England.

As a nine year old I was vulnerable and terrified. I was later diagnosed with PTSD and still continue treatment into my thirties.
My father subjected me to physical violence, held me at knife point, threw weapons at me and burnt my clothes and toys. He beat my five year old brother to pulp and knocked my mother’s teeth out of her mouth. He damaged her face so badly her own sister didn’t recognise her and she still has severe dental issues 26 years later.

When we first entered the refuge I was terrified. I wet the bed, I screamed in my sleep and whenever I encountered a man (for instance a police officer, our solicitor or even my uncle) I went into flight mode and ran. I just ran and ran and ran. The sight of any man sent me terrified running into woods, through traffic and anywhere I could go to get away.
My mother occasionally recalls the moment I ran into a busy roundabout junction from inside a car when I heard we were going to speak to our male solicitor. She tried chasing me but 9 year olds are hard to keep up with, I got a good mile away before I stopped and cowered in some bushes when I no longer knew where I was. My mother vomited in the street. Our shared fear worked hard at tearing us apart.

Women’s Aid was literally a refuge from that fear. They helped to look after my brother and I whilst my mother met with her solicitor off site so I didn’t have to encounter a man. They helped us find a female GP, pushed for the police to give us a female liaison and encouraged me to have counselling.
They got my mother the medical and dental care she so badly needed after a decade of abuse. They saved us.

Eventually I started to feel safe, we stayed in that refuge for 3 months before moving to a smaller “half way house” for over 2 years and eventually into a home of our own.

I believe trans people have a set of prejudices to face that I do not envy and I believe, we should help them to have a recognised and safe place in society. However I do not believe a trans woman (biological Male) should be extended the right to work or live in a place where women (both born female and with a GRC) and vulnerable children, who are terrified of men, will be made to suffer daily as a result.

I urge you to think of the fear and damage such a move would cause and not give into lobbyists. Women’s Aid cannot alienate vulnerable women and children. Where would I, as an abused child have gone in 1992? How many times would I have ran? As much as I am happy to call a transwoman by their chosen name and refer to them as “she”, a child can very much understand that a biological man is a biological man no matter how much lipstick is involved.

I ask you kindly to consider the young me, the terrified me, the woman who still cries well into her thirties. I ask you to consider the rape victims who want to vomit when they see a male figure. I ask you to consider the woman beaten for years by men, who does not feel safe emptying her soul to a male figure.

Please consider women, those of us born female - who have no prejudice against trans people - but who need a space to be free from harrowing, demeaning fear heaped onto us by men. We are not bigots, we are terrified.

Please consider my plea. I beg of you.

Ms. E, the former 9 year old who only survived because of Women’s Aid.

You can contact them via the following methods:
Tel: 0117 944 44 11 (general enquiries only)
Fax: 0117 924 1703

Email: [email protected]

Our address:
Women’s Aid Federation of England,
PO BOX 3245
Bristol,
BS2 2EH, England

OP posts:
Yellowshadeofgreen · 06/02/2018 09:37

Circle you should also forward that letter to your MPs. Flowers

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 06/02/2018 12:30

Thanks everyone.
Great idea about sending to my MP too.
I’m going to do that today.

OP posts:
unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 13:49

Done. Need to stand up to this nonsense now. I'm feeling inspired today. By OP and by the Suffragette anniversary. Who else can i contact whilst I'm on a roll? My MP is an old school Tory but he might listen. Anyone else?

unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 14:03

@Traffig did you get a response from your email 6 months ago? I'd be very interested in their arguments. Feel like we need a day of agitation. A day where we write, phone, email and tweet (for the brave sisters) anyone we can think of to make our voices heard.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 06/02/2018 15:35

circle what a brave letter. I'm so sad to hear about what you went through as a child. Don't do anything on Twitter that would make you feel destabilised or fearful. Your letter will do lots on its own.

I'll be writing too.

Patodp · 06/02/2018 16:02

I hope you've received a reply OP?
They replied a very generic "we are reviewing policy and will speak to all members and survivors as part of the process..."
I hope they take time to reply to you personally.

ohfourfoxache · 06/02/2018 16:10

Sounds like I got the same response Pato

I just hope that if enough of us email/contact them then they might realise the strength of feeling.

Traffig · 06/02/2018 16:21

@unlurk85
Hello there, just to answer your question.
I emailed both WA and Rape Crisis the same evening, it was after reading a thread on here ...mid to end of 2017. Not sure which thread now.
I had a brief standard reply from both. Both organisations did acknowledge the email, one was a Head Office reply and one was a Press Office reply. Not sure which way round, without trawling way back Smile

To be fair, I worded the emails strongly as a request to take note as to what was being said in the thread, regarding safe places for women rather than an attempt to enter into debate as an individual with them. I asked that the implications of the GRA reform proposals for Women were discussed within the organisations themselves.

I also gave a bit of my own background as a person who had been involved with both organisations. Smile I've spoken to my MP also who was a friend of Jo Cox.

Writersblock2 · 06/02/2018 16:26

Circle Thank you so much for being brave and writing this post, and braver still and sticking your head above the parapet to send a letter about this. Your post made me cry, but it also cheered me on too. I will be writing to them when I get home.

unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 16:47

Got my reply from WA. Feels like a stock response. But confirms that they're trying to get ahead of the GRA if I read it right. So they're fully expecting Self ID to become the law....

Thank you for your email and we understand your concern.

With the government proposing to consult on and review the Gender Recognition Act, like many other organisations, we are taking the opportunity to review our internal policies. We are beginning this work now, and will talk to our member organisations and survivors as part of the process. Any decisions on our internal policy will be taken once this review is completed.

Women's Aid is a federation, and as such it is not in our power to set the policies of the expert, independent, organisations that form our membership and run direct services for survivors. What we will do is use the outcome of the review to offer guidance to our membership on best practice.

Your support is very important to us and we will take your comments on board when reviewing our policies.

Best wishes,
Women's Aid

maeraprocyon · 06/02/2018 17:01

women (both born female and with a GRC)

Biological males will always be male, regardless of surgery or GRC.

Lettucepray · 06/02/2018 17:07

How about a petition to get it discussed in parliament?

confusedlittleone · 06/02/2018 17:11

I would take out the first half of the 6th paragraph and just go from "I believe...."

DearSergio · 06/02/2018 17:28

not sure if I've done that right Blush I had the exact same reply, so it is a stock one, which is fairly gutting as my email was quite open about my abusive ex and went into some detail. It took alot to write it and it feels like they didn't even bother to read it....

unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 17:55

@DearSergio that's appalling. My email was strongly worded but made it clear I was very lucky not to have accessed their services. To treat me and you the same and give us the same bullshit response is wrong. Do you have the strength to write again to point this out? Totally understand if you don't; it must have taken a lot to write in the first place. ThanksYou would have thought would understand that......

unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 17:56

Would have thought they would understand that

Yellowshadeofgreen · 06/02/2018 18:03

To be fair the return stock email is just an acknowledgement of receipt of correspondence and with the volume of messages organisations like women’s aid receive that is a reasonable thing to do. Responding to each message in an individualised manner would use up resources that may well be better served working to provide services.

From my own experience of a similar organisation that does not reflect what happens to the information contained within the document. The correspondence contents I presume most likely gets coded, analysed and used in policy development.

unlurk85 · 06/02/2018 21:13

I'm not saying they should have written an individual response to me, but two lines to someone with a very personal story to share wouldn't kill them.

sourpatchkid · 06/02/2018 21:48

Thank you for this. My mum went into a refuge with me when I was 3. I am certain my father would have killed if she hadn't.

I've emailed

I hope they listen to us.

sourpatchkid · 06/02/2018 21:51

What's really sad is, between the lines it sounds like they don't want to do this either but the law will make them

carmelite · 07/02/2018 09:18

While I completely understand the OP's concerns, I come from a different view point.

I have recently come out of a refuge. It was staffed predominantly by women, but there were male members of staff too from time to time who I saw occasionally. I did not have a problem with this, in fact one of them was an excellent support and I quite liked the fact there was a man who understood domestic abuse issues on a deeper level - it was very refreshing. However I'm not sure what would have happened if I'd not been comfortable with this. I'm sure if this happens though, the wishes of the woman are respected.

Men are and can be employed by women's refuges, so regardless of your opinions on the transgender issue, what difference does it really make as long as that person is trained, knowledgeable, supportive and compassionate, and presumably DBS checked etc?

Also, they do need staff to deal with DA that happens in transgender relationships too, so perhaps that is why they may be needed?

carmelite · 07/02/2018 09:47

To continue, since I'm thinking about it...domestic abuse services have to be inclusive of all forms of domestic abuse, whether that's in the LGBT community, inter-family abuse, forced marriages etc.
While Women's Aid was set up to help women obviously, the services those women are referred to are there to support all types of abuse, not just the most common type, male to female.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 08/02/2018 06:48

Absolutely appalling that they are sending out stock replies to such heartfelt letters/emails. Not surrising though. Not looking god, that they are expecting the selfID law to be passed. However a Tory MP said recently that they wanted to see the results of this WA review before moving further. So..WA are doing the review expecting the law change, but the law change is partially relying on the WA review?

niceandtoasty · 08/02/2018 18:54

There's a petition now, although it's definitely still worth writing to Women's Aid as well, particularly if you have personal experiences to share:

www.citizengo.org/en-gb/pc/156132-keep-men-out-womens-shelters

Artesia · 08/02/2018 19:06

Thanks for the link niceandtoasty. SIgned and shared