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To think Jacob Rees-Mog is a scary prospect as PM

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Cantshedmymuffintop · 01/02/2018 23:33

To think someone who opposes same sex marriage and is against pro choice, even after rape is being sited as next PM. Is this not scraping the barrel?!

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HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 11:34

perking it may have escaped your notice but this isn't America and we dont have the same electoral system, nor does our PM have the same powers that the US president seems to have. For a kick off, we dont directly elect a PM, the party does that. And the party removes them too. Not the electorate.

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2018 11:38

Here you go:

The Trump official who tried to stop a detained immigrant from getting an abortion
www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/26/the-trump-official-who-tried-to-stop-a-detained-immigrant-from-getting-an-abortion/?utm_term=.973d51b9715b

Long before he became the head of a federal office for resettling refugees, E. Scott Lloyd built a career as a champion of religious values, holding strong antiabortion views that have now thrust him into the center of a national controversy.

His past work has also made him a target of critics who argue he is ill-prepared for his current role as director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a position he assumed in March within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Recently, the Trump appointee played a prominent role in impeding a detained undocumented teenager from obtaining an abortion, prompting a lawsuit in federal court.

Last week, HHS — which is responsible for caring for detained unaccompanied minors — said “there is no constitutional right” for an immigrant minor to have an elective abortion while in federal custody.

Lloyd has personally intervened to try to persuade unaccompanied minor girls not to have abortions, according to an HHS official.

That, and some of the articles it links to, are good expositions of how motivated anti-abortion believers can use whatever positions of power they acquire, to make it harder to get an abortion. Sometimes by fiddling with laws, sometimes by how they carry out their jobs, ... plenty of variations.

Eg
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/undocumented-immigrant-teen-has-abortion-ending-weeks-long-court-battle/2017/10/25/9805249a-b90b-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.55e657dcfadc

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2018 11:52

BTW, Rees-Mogg has been taking advice from Steve Bannon, so expect to see more stuff that's familiar from the US election.

I was about to add, it would be a challenge even for Bannon to sell Rees-Mogg as a Man Of The People™. But then I remembered he's just successfully sold that schtick about a hereditary millionaire whose businesses go bust, so who knows.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-steve-bannon-meeting-politics-london-hotel-breitbart-tory-a8088001.html
Jacob Rees-Mogg met with Donald Trump’s former adviser Steve Bannon to discuss how the conservative movement can be victorious in elections in the UK, it has been reported.

The meeting took place at a Mayfair hotel and Mr Rees-Mogg described Mr Bannon as “an interesting man to have met”, it is said.

It is thought they spoke about US and UK politics and the former senior adviser to the President also met with former Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

Mr Bannon, who is a self-described economic nationalist and populist, was believed to be Donald Trump’s right-hand man before he was forced out of the White House in August.

He returned to work for the far-right news organisation Breitbart and his meetings in the UK were organised by Raheem Kassam, the editor of Breitbart London.

“Brexit and the election of President Trump were inextricably linked, so the discussions focused on how we move forward with winning for the conservative movements on both sides of the pond,” Mr Kassam told the Guardian.

“How you build movements, on the ground and digitally, and what Steve’s brand of economic nationalism – which puts the interests of ordinary people first – can do in the US and United Kingdom.”

midnightmisssuki · 02/02/2018 12:07

as opposed to that terrorist-sympathiser crazy Corbyn? really?!?!

makeourfuture · 02/02/2018 12:19

Again with the privatisation, people often dont understand what that means.

Didn't we just bailout Branson's train service to the tune of multiple millions? Is that how "privatisation" works?

Cantshedmymuffintop · 02/02/2018 23:03

It's an interesting argument that people are allowed to have different views to you. Yes of course they are, only when they are an MP and looking to represent constituents, they go back to parliament to vote on things that do affect us. So whether you think he's the lesser of two evils, and you'd happily have a pint and debate with him down the pub, if there was a vote for arguments sake on abortion, do you think for one minute he would vote pro choice? And in voting for a guy who's beliefs you don't mind being different from your own you allow change in laws that you never believed in or wanted.

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Ninoo25 · 02/02/2018 23:12

He’s like a cross between someone out of an Agatha Christie novel and a slim version of the Monopoly man. The only thing I can honestly say I like about him is that he appears to be honest unlike a lot of politicians. He knows a lot of his views will be unpopular, but he still sticks to his guns. Still wouldn’t want him to be PM though as I disagree with almost everything that comes out of his mouth!

PerkingFaintly · 04/02/2018 11:44

"Honest" is not how I'd describe last week's little set-up in Parliament.

"Sly" is more the word which springs to mind.

And unlike Baker who has apologised for misrepresentation, Rees-Mogg has sailed on blithely ignoring teensy-eensy things like actual facts.

Jacob Rees-Mogg says Treasury 'fiddling figures' on Brexit www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42929071
Brexit minister Steve Baker in civil service row apology www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42911538

Seems Jacob Rees-Mogg is only "honest" when it suits him.

Ninoo25 · 04/02/2018 12:49

I guess that’s zero things I like about him now then 😂

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