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To think Jacob Rees-Mog is a scary prospect as PM

109 replies

Cantshedmymuffintop · 01/02/2018 23:33

To think someone who opposes same sex marriage and is against pro choice, even after rape is being sited as next PM. Is this not scraping the barrel?!

OP posts:
BoldKitties · 02/02/2018 08:54

Absolutely hands down worst sock ever. Not even an attempt to disguise it. Sigh, so lacking in imagination.

Not even engaging with the odious pro forced-birth bollocks that this gobshite has come out with. I welcome conversation and debate, just not with small minded, misogynistic, ranting fuckwits.

Helendee · 02/02/2018 09:00

What the heck does sock mean?

honeysucklejasmine · 02/02/2018 09:09

A sock puppet, where a poster creates a second username to agree with them. Or third, or fourth.

CryptoFascist · 02/02/2018 09:21

This is my favourite thread of the morning. OP yanbu.

FlyingElbows · 02/02/2018 09:34

Lol, this post needs to be used as a teaching example for those who struggle to spot socks. You can't fail to spot that one!!

I like JRM, but only in his capacity as bizarre novelty person living in the wrong century. As PM? Maybe not.

HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 09:35

Having personal beliefs isnt the same as inflicting them on the rest of society. JRM has said that, personal beliefs are just that, personal. It's quite nice to see someone with the courage of thie convictions, to stand up for what they believe in rather than faffing round like that Lib-Dem bloke who simply wouldn't spit out his Christian views in case he offended the electorate. At least with JRM you know what you're getting.

Quotes:

Mr Rees-Mogg said women's abortion rights under UK law were "not going to change".

Mr Rees-Mogg however said he does not judge what other people do and said: "he who is without sin should cast the first stone"

And I think this paragraph from the Independent is a good summary - bottom line is, he is trustworthy - you know he doesnt lie. A rare quality with politicians

Yes, it is hilarious to read that Rees-Mogg slept in a single bed under a crucifix in white pyjamas every night until he got married – but there are other things that come with the territory. And no, he isn’t a snake in the grass – he hasn’t come to prominence with promises of the type of “compassionate”, “hug-a-hoodie” conservatism David Cameron espoused. He’ll never tell you to “call me Jake”. He won’t pretend to have any working class credentials, or hide the fact that he is a deeply traditional Catholic with reactionary ideas. He is straight-up telling us all what he thinks, and he always has done: indeed, it’s that honesty and authenticity which has apparently resonated with so many grassroots members of his party, at a time when trust in politicians is at an all-time low.

Redpandamonkey · 02/02/2018 09:36

😂Grin Crying...what a joker. Also, I haven't heard JRMs view on the environment but I've heard his views on foodbanks. Angry

PiffIeandWiffle · 02/02/2018 09:39

It's perfectly possible to believe something is morally wrong without actually changing any laws.

I don't believe he's ever suggested that he'd roll the clock back WRT abortion.

He's allowed to have views I disagree with, it won't necessarily mean I wouldn't vote for him - in my mind he'd be the lesser of 2 evils as Corbyn has more views that I disagree with....

PiffIeandWiffle · 02/02/2018 09:40

Great post Holly

HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 09:43

Food banks - again he has two valid points - completely missed the issue that we shouldnt need them in this day and age - but his points are valid ones. (a) people now know they exist and can be referred to them (b) we are intrinsically a charitable country.

He told LBC radio the only reason for the rise in their use was "that people know that they are there". The North East Somerset MP said the former Labour government had failed to inform people of their existence. When the Tories came to power, they had allowed Jobcentre Plus to tell people food banks were available, he said.

When challenged by a caller to LBC about the increased use of food banks, Mr Rees-Mogg argued they fulfilled a vital function.

"To have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are," he said. Inevitably, the state can't do everything, so I think that there is good within food banks. The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them."

The fact we souldnt need foodbanks does actually make his points any less valid. Its a completely different issue.

PiffIeandWiffle · 02/02/2018 09:50

Haterz gonna hate - don't be coming along here with those damned facts!! Grin

makeourfuture · 02/02/2018 09:59

Mr Rees-Mogg said women's abortion rights under UK law were "not going to change".

Now he would say that now wouldn't he?

Lizzie48 · 02/02/2018 10:01

He's allowed to have views I disagree with, it won't necessarily mean I wouldn't vote for him - in my mind he'd be the lesser of 2 evils as Corbyn has more views that I disagree with....

This 100%. It leaves me with a serious problem as I would never vote Tory, but JC is a scary prospect. I would never not vote as women had to fight hard to win the vote. So that leaves me with the Lib Dems.

JRM is very pompous but, as I would never vote Tory and he's not my MP, he's an irrelevance. And he won't be PM, that's fantasy land

honeysucklejasmine · 02/02/2018 10:16

I don't think Tim Farron planned to make gay marriage illegal either but he was still crucified in the press and ended up stepping down.

He should have put on an upper class accent and acted a bit eccentric, then no-one would care.

Genevieva · 02/02/2018 10:18

Anyone who creates an artificial person for themselves and lives their life as if they are an actor in a play is worries me. That goes for Mogg and Corbyn. Thankfully I don't see Mogg making it to party leader, let alone PM, so he can remain a benign eccentric. Corbyn is another matter.

Globetrotter100 · 02/02/2018 10:28

Here's a nice little synopsis of the man and his track record which, unsurprisingly, aligns rather well with his personal interests.

badboysofbrexit.com/2018/01/13/jacob-rees-mogg/

LifeBeginsAtGin · 02/02/2018 10:32

The difference between JRM and JC is Jezzer has the hand of Momentum up his backside, puppeteering. Get rid of JC and Momentum will have half a dozen JC's lined up (McDonnell frightens me more actually.)

JRM has no ambition to be PM but if the Left are so behind Corbyn then JRM may rise through the ranks and achieve the impossible. No one wants a hard right or left.

HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 10:40

Now he would say that now wouldn't he?

JRM, PM or not, doesnt have any scope to change laws. Parliament make changes, not PMs. Parliament being put there by the electorate. PMs being put there by the party. The Electorate as a whole would not want the laws surrounding abortion changed. MPs wont risk their seats on such unpopular votes.

Farron was crucified for not having the balls to be open about his opinions. He fannied about avoiding the issue and in doing so came across as weak, wet and duplicitous.

makeourfuture · 02/02/2018 10:44

The Electorate as a whole would not want the laws surrounding abortion changed. MPs wont risk their seats on such unpopular votes.

I always though this about the NHS. Who the hell would attack sick people? They tippy toe up to it, don't they?

HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 10:47

What law has changed with the NHS?

makeourfuture · 02/02/2018 10:52

I think the Appropriation Act is a law isn't it? I may be looking at that wrong.

Woollypinksocks · 02/02/2018 10:53

I'm no Jacob Rees Mogg fan, however as Holly says, he is allowed to have views that I disagree with.

Do we know what Theresa Mays views are on abortion? I know that she voted to lower the 24 week limit. Makes you wonder?

The laws on abortion could change in the future, it would be naive to be complacent. But it would take more than just Jacob Rees Mogg becoming the PM.

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2018 11:10

HollyBayTree, the Health and Social Care Act 2012 is one of the laws which has changed wrt the NHS.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Social_Care_Act_2012

That's just one of the major changes being brought in, inch by inch. Some of them require laws, others are done by restructuring, by creating new organisations like the so-called Accountable Care Organisations, by giving contracts to the right people...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42871081

No politician of any party has gone to the polls saying, "Vote for me, I'll privatise the NHS".

And yet since 2012 the NHS has already let billions of pounds of contracts to the private sector - clinical work, not building hospitals.
www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/25/far-more-nhs-contracts-going-to-private-firms-than-ministers-admit-privatisation

PerkingFaintly · 02/02/2018 11:21

And that's how it works with abortion, too.

Holly's post from 10:40:46 could have been cut-n'-pasted from before the US election with names changed. I saw a lot like it.

But look at what has actually happened.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/19/trump-hails-his-conscience-protections-plan-in-speech-at-march-for-life
Donald Trump used a speech to anti-abortion activists on Friday to hail plans to give “conscience protections” to medical providers who refuse to perform abortions for moral or religious reasons.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has also reversed Obama-era legal guidance that discouraged conservative states from trying to defund organisations that provide abortion services, such as Planned Parenthood.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/31/scott-lloyd-considered-controversial-method-reverse-abortion
An anti-abortion activist who was appointed by Donald Trump to head a federal agency that detains undocumented immigrant children considered using a highly contentious and untested technique to stop a teenager from completing an abortion that was already in process, it has emerged.
Scott Lloyd, the Trump administration’s pick as director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, raised the prospect last March of administering the hormone progesterone to a 17-year-old girl from El Salvador who had entered the US illegally and was being held in custody in San Antonio, Texas. The procedure is unrecognized by the medical profession as a means of reversing abortion and has side-effects attached to it.

That Scott Lloyd guy is quite scary - Vice has been following this for a while:
news.vice.com/en_us/article/bjynwv/undocumented-teen-wanting-an-abortion-had-been-raped

I'm trying to find the right article, but IIRC, Lloyd is the one who has personally turned up at facilities where pregnant undocumented teenagers are being held, and tried to talk them out of having abortions. That, and instructing staff not to enable the teenager to go to the hospital.

HollyBayTree · 02/02/2018 11:32

But none ot the above is legislation attacking sick people which of course an emotive and goady line.

The relentless pearl clutching about Richard Branson and Virgin Care - which is a not for profit organisation - Branson ploughs millions back into charitable works - Virgin Care being one of those. It's his way of giving back. And if you saw what my local borough councillors were scandallously creaming off by forming their own care company you'd agree Virgin is a much better option

Again with the privatisation, people often dont understand what that means. Ok so I'm London centric so I have access to several over lapping NHS Trusts. Trust A has the contract for all three trusts to perform autopsies, Trust B houses the cancer unit, Trust C houses the cardio-thoractic unit. So whereas if I had a heart attack I would reasonably be expected to be wheeled through my local Trust A's A&E, I would be referred to Trust C for bypass etc. Trust D, to complicate matters, runs out of Trust C and facilitates district nurses for Trusts A,B,C, D and E ! This is all privatisation as in the purchasing of specialisms. It simply isn't all fat cats creaming off money. It's the old hub-and-spoke approach.

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