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To take DD out of school and home educate?

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ThatchersCold · 01/02/2018 23:14

I'm on the precipice of making a huge decision and would appreciate some opinions. DD1 is 13 and in year 9. She was diagnosed with Aspergers 2 years ago. She's never particularly got on with school - in primary it was more the social side she struggled with, but when she got into year 6 she had what I would describe as a breakdown, and refused to go to school at all for quite a while. She had a slow reintroduction to school, but refused to engage at all with learning, and would mostly just sit with her head on the desk. It was all this which kick started involvement with other agencies, which led to her ASD diagnosis.

She then started secondary. She is at an excellent school, which is fairly small, and gets very good exam results. She had a comprehensive school entry plan, with lots of additional support from the SEN department and the ELSA lady at school. She seemed to be doing well, she built up a strong relationship with the ELSA lady, who she had one or two individual sessions with each week. The school have been very understanding of her needs, and give her a time out card to use if she gets overwhelmed by lessons. She finds being at school exhausting and doesn't always do her homework, and the teachers are great about giving her extra time rather than a detention.

She had one period of school refusing for about 3 weeks towards the end of year 7, and the same again in year 8. On balance, that wasn't too bad. She made a couple of good friends too which has been great. However, over the last year or so her mental health, which has never been great, has been in slow decline. She hates school, but won't really elaborate on why. She's not being bullied, although she does have a reputation for being the 'weird kid' because often she will get overwhelmed and upset for what others perceive to be no reason. My feeling is that the school environment is just more than she can cope with.

This year has been a bit of a shit show for her tbh. Sadly, both the ELSA lady who she was very close to, and the head of SEN who she wasn't that close to but was excellent at advocating for her needs, have both been away on long term sick leave for the entire academic year. Without this support, the wheels have well and truly come off for dd. She made it until November before the school refusing started again, and she ended up having about a month off before Christmas. I have told the school that without support she just isn't going to be able to cope there, but they have a temporary head of SEN who only comes in once every few weeks, and no-one is trained to take over the ELSA side of things. Me and DD had a good chat over Christmas, and I said she didn't have to stay there if she was really unhappy (which she is, she sees no joy in anything anymore, and talks about death a lot, albeit in a dry, humorous way). She decided she did want to stay and I said if that's the case she really needs to dig deep and make a real effort to go every day, but that only lasted a week before the refusing to go and nights of crying and wailing started again. Attendance has been patchy since then. She is seeing CAMHS but I think it's like putting a band aid on a broken leg for all the help they are. When she has been at school this term, often she has been locking herself in the loos and crying, and has missed lots of lessons.

Earlier this week, when I was worrying about dd and struggling to sleep, I had a light bulb moment and thought home education could be the best way forward. Taking the pressure off her, and drastically reducing the amount of time she spends doing academic stuff I think would make a huge difference to her mental health. I realise she still needs to be learning, but we could do that in a gentler way, and make it a lot more fun. My thoughts are that I could try and get her through perhaps 5 GCSEs over the next 2.5 years, which would be enough to keep her options open. I think being able to spend some quality time with me would also make a massive improvement to her mental health. She worries a lot about how she will cope as an adult, so we could spend time teaching her life skills, which I think would help her confidence.

That's the good points, but the bad ones are that she will miss her friends, I'm sure she'll see them a bit still but it won't be the same as hanging out every day. She is also very lazy and unmotivated, partly because of her depression, which is going to be a challenge. Money may well be a problem, I'm a lone parent who is self employed, and I won't be able to work as much. I may be able to claim more DLA for her though which would help. Another problem is that she may not be able to do an art GCSE from home, because of the controlled assessments, and it is art she is really gifted at and wants to do at college, and possibly uni. I also have MH problems of my own (PTSD), which means I'm not always feeling that capable and motivated myself. I am starting trauma therapy next week though.

It's a huge decision to make, and a massive responsibility for me to take on. I want the best for her, like any parent does, and all I see is her becoming more and more depressed whilst at school. She's really unhappy. My feeling is that she is better off having fewer GCSEs and good mental health than more GSCEs and being messed up. Not that she is guaranteed to get more GCSEs if she stays at school because she misses so many lessons through not being able to cope there.

Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry this has been so long!

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permanentlyfrazzled1 · 01/02/2018 23:22

Sorry you're in such a difficult situation. I'm an ex teacher, hubby still teaches, we're home-educating our four children, for a myriad of reasons. Happy to chat with you - will pm you. Beckie x

Notcontent · 01/02/2018 23:23

Well - i am no expert, BUT i am a lone parent, mother to a dd (slightly younger than yours), who I think may have Aspergers... There is absolutely, definitely, not in a million years chance that I would home school!!!! I think we would drive each other mad... also, is giving up work a good idea?

Flobalob · 01/02/2018 23:25

From what you've said, I would do it in a heartbeat. Look at Interhigh. I think it's £500 per year for morning lessons, freeing up the afternoon for other stuff. It might mean that you can get some work done from home while she's studying in the am.
If money is tight, see if Family Fund can finance a laptop for her.
My daughter is only 9 but I'm already anticipating having to do this for secondary school.
You could try unschooling for the rest of this academic year, following her lead with a view to starting afresh with an online school in Sept?
A happy, healthy child not at school (albeit with minimal chance of you working or getting a break) or a child with poor mental health/anorexia/suicidal while school refusing? That's what us parents of special kids have to face these days. Very sad.

permanentlyfrazzled1 · 01/02/2018 23:26

Arghhh I don't know how to pm you! I do think best to chat, and I can put you in touch with home-elders local to you - a supportive local community is really important for children and their parents. Let me know how to contact you - I'm a real tech dinosaur 😣

relaxitllbeok · 01/02/2018 23:26

There's a specific Home Ed board under Education - that's probably a good place to find people with relevant experience. For what little my opinion is worth, your plan sounds good in the circumstances to me.

Flobalob · 01/02/2018 23:31

Also look into your local council's short break local offer. 40 hours respite per year (not alot but better than nothing!) at a cheap rate £2/hour? Some places do Saturday morning clubs so you could get a few hours a week to yourself?

RaspberryRuffless · 01/02/2018 23:31

I took my son out of school when he was 10 (he’s now 13), he has ASD and had several episodes of refusing to go to school. It’s the best decision I’ve made. His anxiety is massively reduced, there’s no tears every night and he’s able to work on things he’s interested in. My son has been to mainstream and SEN school but he always ends up refusing which is stressful for us both. My son has never been a great sleeper, so on the nights he’s had a bad night, he can sleep in a bit and we’ll do school stuff in the afternoon when he’s more up to it. I wish I decided to home educate long before I did because it works so much better for him.

bebanjo · 01/02/2018 23:34

Hi op, all the home ed groups are on face book now.
Just put in home ed and the area your in.
Don't buy anything tell you've de registered and de schooled for at least 3 months.
Pm me if you need more info.

permanentlyfrazzled1 · 01/02/2018 23:35

Just sent you a pm. Quite proud I figured it out! 😆

ThatchersCold · 01/02/2018 23:36

Thanks for all the replies, permanentlyfrazzled there should be a 'message poster' option on the top right corner of this post.

Interhigh sounds interesting, will definitely have a look at that.

I'm not worried about her driving me mad, she is a real hermit and spends much of her time on her own in her bedroom. It would be nice to spend more time with her, we have missed having much quality time since her sister was born (8 years ago!) and I think this could be really good for our relationship. She's very mature in a lot of ways and has a fantastic sense of humour. I spoke to her dad today and he thinks HE is a great idea, and he's prepared to have a her a bit more (currently has her EOW). She could do art related stuff with him as it's she gets her artistic talents from.

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GenericMum · 01/02/2018 23:38

I Home ed but as my kids are much younger I can’t give you any advice myself. There are some fab home education support sites on Facebook. Try searching for home education on there, particularly your county. There’s lots of fab people on there who have been in similar situations and can tell you what some options might be, as well as what is going on in your local area. Good luck!

ThatchersCold · 01/02/2018 23:41

So the deschooling - is that recommended for 3 months? I was thinking about trying to get her through a sociology GCSE at the end of this year (that's what my degree is in and she's a natural born sociologist in the way she thinks, I think she could do it easily between now and then). And then that would be one in the bank, and we could then choose 2 more to do over year 10 and two in year 11, those were my initial thoughts anyway. She doesn't retain information that well so I thought doing things in shortish blasts then taking an exam would be better than dragging it out slowly over a longer period.

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Helllllooooooo · 01/02/2018 23:43

I started HE last year and it’s been great! We have seen a huge improvement in dc mental health and even the quality of work.
It can be hard during the days that I am not doing too well, but we just catch up on the days we are.
Facebook is great for Home ed groups like someone else said search Home education/schooling and your area/county

Flobalob · 01/02/2018 23:51

That sounds very positive then if your ex can offer support too.
I'd suggest getting onto some FB home ed groups for your area. I've joined some with a view to doing this in the next few years.

ThatchersCold · 01/02/2018 23:51

I have requested to join a few local FB groups, so hopefully I will be accepted soon and can start making contacts.

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Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 01/02/2018 23:53

Please do it. There is a very useful thread on the Teenagers board, currently ongoing, about what is happening with our DC from Year 10 upwards. Sorry, I'm not sure how to link it. If I had your choice in Year 9, and knew then what I know now, I would have withdrawn my DD in a heartbeat. It's only going to get worse from September. ..I would do it. Obviously a lot of thought and preparation, but would be worth it in the long run

Flobalob · 01/02/2018 23:53

I don't know for sure but I don't think that there's a time limit for deschooling. I think the idea behind it is that to take the pressure off by not doing any schooling as some kids are so traumatised by their school experience.

ThatchersCold · 02/02/2018 00:00

Whywontthey - that's my thoughts, if she's not coping now, it sure as hell isn't going to get any easier over the next 2 years! Will see if I can find the thread you are talking about, it may help to cement my feelings.

Re deschooling - I guess as she's not really been going since the beginning of November much she is already semi deschooled. As soon as I say to her she doesn't have to go that day her whole demeanour changes, and she is so much more relaxed. She is going to stay with her dad next week for a few days, then it's half term, so maybe we'll see how she's feeling after that.

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scrabbler3 · 02/02/2018 00:00

You and your ex know her best, and if you're in agreement that's surely a positive thing. And he's prepared to pull his weight which is great. I know nothing about HE but it sounds like something worth considering seriously.

bebanjo · 02/02/2018 00:03

Hi, most home ed advice says, deschool one month for every year at school.
So if a child started nursery at 3 and is now 13 that would be 10 months.
But most family's new to home ed don't take that amount if time seriously. So it's easier to say 3 months to give you time to find out more about the process, meet home ed family's.
Every family I've met that wanted to be organised and buy things in advance has wasted money. You will find, you will be given stuff, lent stuff, your child learns in a way you never thought about, your child is gifted in somthing you've never heard of.

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 02/02/2018 00:03

Gosh, yes. Home education might be wonderful for you, OP. I've witnessed what a life-changer it can be and I know two teachers who home educate their kids as well!

I also have a non-teaching friend who home-edded her three children through A levels. I've heard lots of very positive things.

ThatchersCold · 02/02/2018 00:04

Her dad and me have slightly differing views, in that he doesn't think qualifications are in any way important, because he hasn't got any (he's very alternative and lives in a cabin in a field). I don't want to put any pressure on her but she does want to go to college and she worries about her future and what she will do career-wise, so I'd like to keep her options open and get her through enough GCSEs to be accepted into college. I don't think there's a cat in hell's chance of her managing to get through 9 or 10 at school, but 5 over 2.5 years I reckon she could cope with.

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bebanjo · 02/02/2018 00:07

Hi, please don't use time spent in school as deschooling, or school holidays.
If you skip or try to cut this short for fear of loosing time you will regret it.
I've know family's that used the school holidays as deschooling time, went straight into structured work and had to deschooling over a year into home ed.

Flobalob · 02/02/2018 00:09

That's how I feel. Better to get 5 good grades that 9 without a pass. How many jobs ask for more than 5 GCSE's. I don't think that I've seen any.

ThatchersCold · 02/02/2018 00:10

The more responses I get the more excited I'm getting about this! It feels like such a huge step to take but I feel like dd desperately needs a life line and taking her out of school could be it. The current situation can't carry on as it is.

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