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To take DD out of school and home educate?

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ThatchersCold · 01/02/2018 23:14

I'm on the precipice of making a huge decision and would appreciate some opinions. DD1 is 13 and in year 9. She was diagnosed with Aspergers 2 years ago. She's never particularly got on with school - in primary it was more the social side she struggled with, but when she got into year 6 she had what I would describe as a breakdown, and refused to go to school at all for quite a while. She had a slow reintroduction to school, but refused to engage at all with learning, and would mostly just sit with her head on the desk. It was all this which kick started involvement with other agencies, which led to her ASD diagnosis.

She then started secondary. She is at an excellent school, which is fairly small, and gets very good exam results. She had a comprehensive school entry plan, with lots of additional support from the SEN department and the ELSA lady at school. She seemed to be doing well, she built up a strong relationship with the ELSA lady, who she had one or two individual sessions with each week. The school have been very understanding of her needs, and give her a time out card to use if she gets overwhelmed by lessons. She finds being at school exhausting and doesn't always do her homework, and the teachers are great about giving her extra time rather than a detention.

She had one period of school refusing for about 3 weeks towards the end of year 7, and the same again in year 8. On balance, that wasn't too bad. She made a couple of good friends too which has been great. However, over the last year or so her mental health, which has never been great, has been in slow decline. She hates school, but won't really elaborate on why. She's not being bullied, although she does have a reputation for being the 'weird kid' because often she will get overwhelmed and upset for what others perceive to be no reason. My feeling is that the school environment is just more than she can cope with.

This year has been a bit of a shit show for her tbh. Sadly, both the ELSA lady who she was very close to, and the head of SEN who she wasn't that close to but was excellent at advocating for her needs, have both been away on long term sick leave for the entire academic year. Without this support, the wheels have well and truly come off for dd. She made it until November before the school refusing started again, and she ended up having about a month off before Christmas. I have told the school that without support she just isn't going to be able to cope there, but they have a temporary head of SEN who only comes in once every few weeks, and no-one is trained to take over the ELSA side of things. Me and DD had a good chat over Christmas, and I said she didn't have to stay there if she was really unhappy (which she is, she sees no joy in anything anymore, and talks about death a lot, albeit in a dry, humorous way). She decided she did want to stay and I said if that's the case she really needs to dig deep and make a real effort to go every day, but that only lasted a week before the refusing to go and nights of crying and wailing started again. Attendance has been patchy since then. She is seeing CAMHS but I think it's like putting a band aid on a broken leg for all the help they are. When she has been at school this term, often she has been locking herself in the loos and crying, and has missed lots of lessons.

Earlier this week, when I was worrying about dd and struggling to sleep, I had a light bulb moment and thought home education could be the best way forward. Taking the pressure off her, and drastically reducing the amount of time she spends doing academic stuff I think would make a huge difference to her mental health. I realise she still needs to be learning, but we could do that in a gentler way, and make it a lot more fun. My thoughts are that I could try and get her through perhaps 5 GCSEs over the next 2.5 years, which would be enough to keep her options open. I think being able to spend some quality time with me would also make a massive improvement to her mental health. She worries a lot about how she will cope as an adult, so we could spend time teaching her life skills, which I think would help her confidence.

That's the good points, but the bad ones are that she will miss her friends, I'm sure she'll see them a bit still but it won't be the same as hanging out every day. She is also very lazy and unmotivated, partly because of her depression, which is going to be a challenge. Money may well be a problem, I'm a lone parent who is self employed, and I won't be able to work as much. I may be able to claim more DLA for her though which would help. Another problem is that she may not be able to do an art GCSE from home, because of the controlled assessments, and it is art she is really gifted at and wants to do at college, and possibly uni. I also have MH problems of my own (PTSD), which means I'm not always feeling that capable and motivated myself. I am starting trauma therapy next week though.

It's a huge decision to make, and a massive responsibility for me to take on. I want the best for her, like any parent does, and all I see is her becoming more and more depressed whilst at school. She's really unhappy. My feeling is that she is better off having fewer GCSEs and good mental health than more GSCEs and being messed up. Not that she is guaranteed to get more GCSEs if she stays at school because she misses so many lessons through not being able to cope there.

Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry this has been so long!

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bebanjo · 02/02/2018 00:10

One real benefit of deschooling is find out how best you learn, it will not be what you think it will be.
Don't get to bogged down by taking GCSEs, these can be taken at any time.

ThatchersCold · 02/02/2018 00:11

bebanjo - OK thanks, I will take that on board and do some reading about deschooling.

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sonlypuppyfat · 02/02/2018 00:13

I'm home schooling at the minute . My DD is a sweet gentle girl that really doesn't seem to fit in. I'm trying to get her back into school, but I want her to come home for dinner , we only live a few minutes away but apparently this makes me the most unreasonable parent ever

Italiangreyhound · 02/02/2018 00:14

@ThatchersCold my dd is most likely on the spectrum but we've not yet managed to get a real diagnosis. She's going through CAMHS and when she went to high school (she is also Year 8, aged 13) I did wonder about home school. But we really would kill each other.

For dd high school is way better than primary and she has managed OK.

Just wanted to let you know where I am coming from.

I think:
Do this if you think it will help your dd, I think it is a wise choice.

But I'd also see if school can offer any ongoing contact if your dd wants it such as joining an after school club (if this is allowed).

You can promote and continue the friendships she has made and also join some home schooling groups to get your dd socializing with others.

Good luck. Thanks

Moanaohnana · 02/02/2018 00:22

Find out first if she can still do her art. It would be really cruel to take that way from her - self esteem can be a big issue (have a child with ASD) so it's important to keep the stuff she's good at in her life.

I also think you should think carefully about your own MH issues and whether you are mentally strong enough to be with your daughter 24 hours a day, including through all the teenage years when she may be far far less motivated and agreeable than she is now (and I know that's an issue already). I wouldn't do it if it's going to damage your relationship with her or your mental health, as both of those things are more important.

Huge decision - good luck and I hope it works out for you either way.

RestingButchFace · 02/02/2018 00:23

My dd was older than yours when her problems presented themselves quite so obviously and looking back I think she was pushing through for far too long. She finally had a breakdown in the Winter term of her final year. She too had been seeing CAMHS for a few years and seemed to be getting nowhere. I took her out of school, too late to register here for external GSCE's. The school agreed to educated off premises for their attendance figures. Outcome was she sat no exams. 2 years later unbelievably (to us all) she is doing an apprenticeship and flourishing. She did try college but that resulted in disaster too, it turned out that places with concentrated amounts of people in an enclosed area was a trigger. She now learns in a salon with 10 colleagues and she is flourishing. I can't pretend that the fact she wasn't going to have any qualifications was easy to get my head around and I feel guilty I didn't take her out before. So sorry that was so long but in short, do it.

Moanaohnana · 02/02/2018 00:24

I'm home schooling at the minute . My DD is a sweet gentle girl that really doesn't seem to fit in. I'm trying to get her back into school, but I want her to come home for dinner , we only live a few minutes away but apparently this makes me the most unreasonable parent ever

Unreasonable for trying to get her back into school or come home for dinner? If the latter I actually agree. Dinnertime is really important for socialising and fitting in - nobody goes home for dinner at senior school! If you want her to fit in, let her spend time with her peers.

Panting · 02/02/2018 00:31

Many home ed kids do the Arts Award as an alternative to GCSE — google it. Good luck.

(Home ed seems like a no-brainer to me in your situation btw.)

ThatchersCold · 02/02/2018 01:24

Thanks for the advice about the Arts Award, just had a quick look and that could be really good.

Yes my own MH is a concern, but the good thing is that if it's all getting too much, I can stick her on a train to her dad's and he'll have her for a few days. I have severe PTSD (like, off the scale severe), but just studied myself for 4 years and graduated last summer with a first. My point is, when push comes to shove I am capable of doing stuff, even if I don't find it easy, and dd really needs me now so I will have to dig deep and come up with the goods. Yes I will have my days when I'm not great, but I guess the beauty of home ed is that during those times dd can do her own thing.

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NotTreacs · 02/02/2018 07:10

My DD14 has a bit with Aspergers in her year at school, she often talks to me about his daily struggles (the ones she witnesses) in the classroom and at break time,it saddens and worries her to see someone so unhappy. From the very little I know about the situation I feel that mainstream School is not doing him no favours, and if I was his mum he wouldn't be there.

Trust your gut OP, you sound like you are doing an amazing job.

MrsMozart · 02/02/2018 07:16

I did, for the same sort of reasons. She's just graduated with a 2:1, has friends and a supportive boyfriend and a slowly moving out of home, so I think we made the right decision.

PM me if you want.

PanannyPanoo · 02/02/2018 07:21

I have friends who home school their son with Aspergers, they have secured some LEA funding - he had 1:1 when he was in school, they use this to pay for support in certain areas, he also attends Forest school weekly and meets with a local home ed group where each parent takes turns to lead sessions in their specialisms.

He is a changed lad, from extreme distress, self harming, anxious and refusing to go to school,(which even if they could have got him there would not have resulted in any learning) he is now happy, relaxed and able to learn. It has taken a couple of years to find a programme that fits for him, with a good mix of social and academic experiences.
There is already a very rich home schooling community, so you won't be on your own. Plenty of people to bounce ideas and support.

notgivingin789 · 02/02/2018 07:49

What about a good specialist school for pupils with Asperger’s syndrome? Have you explored that option ?

TheHungryDonkey · 02/02/2018 08:13

The only good specialist school we have in our area for autism/Aspergers is massively oversubscribed. Not only this, you need an EHCP to get in. My friend has just gone through this process and with tribunals etc she only has th draft plan after a whole year. This is in a city he size of Bristol.

Do other areas have easy access to specialist free ASD schools? The provision in our city is wank and Bristol City Council are bastards with the EHCP process.

I think it’s awful that it’s so popular to home school children with Aspergers. I considered it last year in Y5 until we moved to a much better primary school. But secondary is going to be an utter nightmare. Admissions system is bollocks unless you can get a named school.

OP I wish you well with homeschooling. There’s loads of support, groups and events out there if you look in the right places.

TheHungryDonkey · 02/02/2018 08:14

Sorry didn’t mean home schooling is awful. I think it’s great. I think it’s awful that for many, this is the only option even if it is a good one.

RedHelenB · 02/02/2018 08:20

I would worry about the friends aspect so much of teenage relationships revolve around school, as well as the motivation to work, but at the end of the day we just want our kids to be happy so you need to do what fits best with that.

notgivingin789 · 02/02/2018 08:24

Hungry The OP can look at schools out of Borough.

TeenTimesTwo · 02/02/2018 08:42

Contact your local college to see what they would require to accept your DD onto an Art course. You may find they don't need the 'standard' 5 GCSE passes, and for Art would accept a portfolio of work in lieu of an actual GCSE. Though I would assume that getting the maths and English would be good for later life.

smilingmind · 02/02/2018 08:51

There are free online courses with Futurelearn and Coursera. They are short courses, usually around 6 weeks and maybe 4 hours a week with options for supplementary reading, and are set up by universities around the world although Coursera is more US based.
I don't know if there is a minimum age limit to join but if so wouldn't be a problem joining in your name.
There is absolutely no pressure. If you don't like a course or find it useful you can drop out any time and don't even have to inform them. Also no limit to how many you can join.
All sorts of interesting courses including language learning. Coursera is particularly good for art.
I've quite a few recently - introduction to psychology, mindfulness, finding Richard III and life in his times, food as medicine, learning dutch, Buddha and religion (can't remember the actual course name), Shakespeare's life, lots on art.
It is possible to pay for a certificate on completing the course but I am not at all sure how valuable that would be.
Wishing you all the best. I greatly enjoyed homeschooling and learned so much from it.

smartiecake · 02/02/2018 08:58

I think you should maybe keep her on the school roll for longer while you look into options.
Get the GP to sign your daughter off school sick and send in the sick note.
Contact your local sendiass to find out more about other options. In our borough there is a provision for children who have MH difficulties, and they can either attend this centre or are home schooled by tutors or a combination of both. Spend some time looking into options before making a decision. There may be other tutoring support available.

OneInEight · 02/02/2018 09:00

We took ds2 out of school (also ASC diagnosis) two years ago and have not regretted it. He is now fifteen, It has not been a miracle solution by any means but he is certainly less depressed than he was at school although still has a lot of anxiety. He was in a really bad state by the time we withdrew him from school (we tried all options from mainstream to specialist placement but none worked for him) and it has taken him longer than most people have found to start re-engaging with academic work and the world

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 02/02/2018 09:08

Thatcherscold...it's titled "Has anyone paid for private therapy because Camhs is hopeless" . I'll tag you on it, I know how to do that !! Hopefully should come up as a notification in your emails. There is also a little known facility from the LA called Medical Needs Teaching. I haven't looked into it myself yet, but I think it's along the lines of the LA sending tutors to your house every so often because there is a "medical need" as to why your DC cannot attend a school. It's free...which is why it isn't publicised probably

ThatchersCold · 03/02/2018 14:28

Thanks all for the responses. Have been thinking a lot about it all and looks 99% likely that I will Home educate dd. We’ve been talking lots about it and already the change in her is massive - she’s visibly more relaxed and yesterday we talked more than we have in years, it was lovely. Instinctively feel that this is the right decision, and I had a long chat with my mum today who I knew would be horrified (she was) but in the end even she could see the logic. There’s a place just up the Road that does the Art Award so waiting to hear back from them about that. Excited about being able to do all the things we can’t do because of school, going to attractions on quieter days, cheaper holidays etc. I’m really excited about it.

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BlackeyedSusan · 03/02/2018 14:48

you could teach her at weekends while you work in the week a bit more. homeed is flexible andyou can teach when you need to. also it is quicker to teache one to one hthan one to 30, though may take longer to prepare as you have less expertise.

gettingin touch with other home-eders to point the way will help.

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 03/02/2018 15:05

Brilliant news OP. You'll both be so much happier. What area do you live in, roughly? DOn't worry if you'd rather not say - just had a couple of ideas for resources depending on where you are.