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AIBU?

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to wonder how you live with yourself if you work in a JobCentre?

182 replies

stinky81 · 31/01/2018 20:24

Really, just that. Sanctioning people for whatever reason you can think of to meet your targets. Expecting people to attend twenty minutes early for appointments then being forty minutes late seeing them. 'Signposting' people to foodbanks whilst refusing to acknowledge that you're referring people there because the state has failed them.
I understand that people need to earn a living, but to do that off the back of people more vulnerable than yourself? Sounds like bullying to me.
I don't claim benefits, and hopefully never will.

OP posts:
Omgineedanamechange · 31/01/2018 21:12

My DD had a very bad accident and was in intensive care, she also had an appointment at the job centre the following day. DH went in her place and explained. He had no evidence of what he was telling them, yet they bent over backwards to help, including trying to sort out her housing benefit that had hit a few problems. At one point there was four of them stood round a computer trying to figure out what to do to prevent sanctions kicking in, which, yes, we could have appealed, but we didn’t need that shit right then, and they clearly agreed.

And then judgey fuckers like the OP, who, by their own admission have no experience of dealing with them, turn up and judge them for doing their job. On behalf all the lovely staff that did everything in their power for DD, despite the crappy rules that none of them made, or likely even support, FUCK OFF.

DancingOnRainbows · 31/01/2018 21:13

Our local jobcentre is awful and my neighbour has been treated dreadfully by them. She's on ESA and thankfully has a very supportive GP who has helped her immensely. Recently she was reported for benefit fraud (apparently she has thousands in savings). The compliance officer tried to intimidate her by saying she had to prove she had no savings or they could prosecute and telling her she would have to go for an ESA review even though they have zero proof she's done anything wrong (because she hasn't!). That's on top of being told she HAD to do voluntary work on ESA which she's recently discovered is untrue.

frozenlake · 31/01/2018 21:13

samewitches 😀

As an ex child protection social worker I got asked this question more than once.

You are aiming at the wrong target OP

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 31/01/2018 21:16

iworry exactly! I honestly believe a lot of people would laugh if they actually saw how ridiculously tiny (

MrsGrindah · 31/01/2018 21:17

Used to work in one. You are right OP.. we would just sit around trying to think of new ways of stopping people’s money.It was such fun. We had a daily target for sanctions and if you hit them you got a new car or a holiday abroad. Bonus points if the customer was a lone parent. Oh how we laughed!
And did I mention getting punched and spat at?That was fun too. People urinating and defecating in the office was a particular highlight. Or overdosing- that was always good.God I miss those days

DancingOnRainbows · 31/01/2018 21:17

I should also mention it had a big shake up recently and several members of staff were changed and my neighbour said her new advisor is lovely (and how she found out she didn't have to do voluntary work). So I wonder if it was badly managed and this reflected in how staff dealt with clients.

Truthstar · 31/01/2018 21:17

Bullying? Really??????
What are you basing this on? Have you been to a jobcentre? You say you dont claim benefits so where you getting your incorrect info from?

Btw ... have my very first Biscuit
Honest to God ... this place tonight 😕

GreatFuckability · 31/01/2018 21:19

i worked for the DWP for years. I once spent 20 mins on the phone with a distressed woman who had HG and couldn't get to work who didn't know how the hell she was gonna pay her mortgage. but i still had to not award her benefits because I don't make the system. I also had bills amd children and a mortgage. without that job, my children would have been at the mercy of the same system. so what am i to do? i left and got a new job, but there were nights i didn't sleep because i felt so shit about what i was doing.

Oldbutstillgotit · 31/01/2018 21:21

I am a Work Coach Manager in a JC. I can honestly say that we try everything to avoid imposing sanctions however SOME claimants just take the piss. There are NO targets for sanctions. Staff are ordinary people doing an often challenging job and who implement policy of the Government of the day.

NotReadyToMove · 31/01/2018 21:26

PIP assessors are worse.
And I know how they do it. The culture within the company is about putting all the claimants down as being people who try it on by default with the odd one who is genuine. Even when all the experience shows it’s the other way around.
I’ve seen genuinely nice people becoming awful as times goes on.

EfficiencyDeficiency · 31/01/2018 21:26

Old- I totally believe you.

Some people do think they're simply above being sanctioned. I live amongst people like that. They just can't be arsed.

They are the ones who do deserve to be sanctioned.

I think a lot of the sanction stories we hear are sensationalised. There is normally only one side of the story told.

Whenever I have used the JC in my past I've found the staff to be nothing but really bloody lovely and helpful and nothing like the op describes.

MarthaArthur · 31/01/2018 21:30

No doubt some sanctions are earned but a lot like my own are not. As another pp said it seems to be the luck of the draw what staff you get. Most of mine were horrible people who did seem to live causing misery and being rude. I met 2 lovely people in their who wanted the best for their claimants. It was one who actually advised me to appeal .

Roomba · 31/01/2018 21:31

I worked in a Jobcentre for two years a few years back. I applied for 'a' job with the dwp as I'd been unemployed for over 6 months as was getting pretty desperate. My own jobcentre advisor told me about the hundreds of vacancies which were in all departments, so I had to apply or be sanctioned! I did hope I wouldn't be placed in a Jobcentre but I was, so I got on with it and tried to do my absolute best for every customer I saw. I will say ours had a reputation for being a 'nice' small jobcentre, I'm sure it was very different in large inner city Jobcentres.

It was a very frustrating job as I could do so little to help a lot of customers tbh. Those who were capable of finding good work quickly did so without my help, those who really shouldn't have been on JSA due to MH issues or those who had huge other problems, I was pretty powerless to do much for. I always spent loads of extra time with those who needed it, actively pointed out funds people were entitled to (travel costs, interview clothing, help getting to new job in first month, none of which exists now sadly. I used to get bollocks for being too helpful and proactive with refunding expenses! Other departments like ESA/DLA wouldn't even give me the time of day in the phone when I tried to advocate for claimants who had been kicked onto JSA, that was the worst bit for me, they didn't seem to give a toss it was all 'Just follow the procedure'.

In all the time I worked there, I met many belligerent customers and even more under 25s (I dealt with them specifically for a year) who'd done bugger all to look for work. But I only ever referred two people for sanctions for not looking for work. More for missing appointments, but it was multiple appointments. If someone rang and said why they couldn't come in, I'd go out of my way more than most to rearrange it. One jobseeking sanction was a guy I'd had to warn for weeks and weeks he was risking losing money, he refused to fill the forms in, shouted at me to fuck off and threw water over me. The second refused to provide any evidence of jobsearching and just laughed at me saying he didn't give a fuck, he'd just get a crisis loan, when I referred him for a sanction. Someone else made the decision on sanctions after I filled a form in with details. When I hear what vulnerable people get sanctioned for now, it makes me cry that it's come to this tbh.

The job did give me an appreciation that anyone is at risk of unemployment and that the whole system is a huge shock for someone who hasn't encountered the whole 'computer says no' procedures they have to go through in the jobcentre. Someone of the stuff we had to get customers to do actively prevented them from going out and finding work they were qualified for and likely to actually get! Employers hated us as they'd get thousands of applications from people who weren't qualified or experienced, just so they could fill their log of jobs applied for. We'd refuse financial help for courses with guaranteed jobs at the end of them and I saw people unable to take up job offers because we wouldn't help with bus fares or childcare.

I did meet a lot of really nice people there though, who were doing their best in very difficult circumstances (customers and staff). Also jobsworths who seemed to despise their customers and horrible, abusive customers who were like something from Shameless or a DM stereotype. Not very many if those though all told.

My fixed term contract wasn't renewed just after the Tories got in in 2010. This was around the time harsher sanctions and universal credit trials started to come in, so I was glad to be out of there tbh. I couldn't sleep at night if I had to operate the current system, having lived under it and massively struggled myself. When I worked there I had myself been very recently long term unemployed and I was unemployed again afterwards for a long while. I endeavoured not to treat anyone in a way I wouldn't wish to be treated but I still felt shit a lot of the time I worked there as I was so powerless to help people.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 31/01/2018 21:32

This OP sounds remarkably like the delightful people who verbally abused my DSM,when she worked behind the counter in NatWest, for ‘causing the banking crisis’Hmm
Some people just don’t do critical thinking apparently.

Roomba · 31/01/2018 21:33

I used to encourage everyone to appeal decisions and would go and get the paperwork and help fill it in for them. Hence I got told off constantly for taking too long with appointments and being 'too soft'. How is advising someone of their legal rights 'soft'? Our own procedures said it was my duty as a civil servant to do this!

BMW6 · 31/01/2018 21:34

Idiotic and ill-informed OP. Go and educate yourself before you post any more drivel.

LittleHoHoHo · 31/01/2018 21:35

YABU

The only person I know who worked in a jobcentre was dedicated to her job and helping others often in difficult situations too. She helped many disabled people into a job. She was amazing.

OOOOOOOOOOO · 31/01/2018 21:36

I've loads of respect for anyone who works in a job centre. I imagine it must be a very frustrating and difficult job. I also imagine that they get a lot of grief.

I'm sure there will be a few bad apples but that's true in every career.

I've a lot less respect for people who don't understand that people working in job centres cant make up the rules themselves.

latara23 · 31/01/2018 21:39

To be honest when I had to cut my hours due to a psychotic breakdown in 2012 I went to the Jobcentre for benefits advice.

The woman I saw was very helpful & sympathetic, she said she could see how unwell I was and encouraged me to apply for DLA, even prompting me on the forms - I did successfully get low rate DLA & the other benefits I needed.

One thing that struck me was how many security guards they had, they must get a lot of hassle rightly or wrongly.

LegallyBrunet · 31/01/2018 21:40

I claimed briefly and my two advisors couldn't have been more lovely. However I was sanctioned once for failing to attend an appointment because I'd had a seizure before leaving the house!

fitbitbore · 31/01/2018 21:41

I know a few people who work in job centres and they try very hard to help people but for some people it's never enough and they don't help themselves.

Truthstar · 31/01/2018 21:43

Another goady thread and disappearing OP 😕

dudsville · 31/01/2018 21:45

A lot of folks working in the council and such are socialists. Don't blame them for government targets.

RedWineAllMine · 31/01/2018 21:45

SOME of the people (NOT ALL) signing on are just drainers to the system, thinking signing on is a easy way out of ever having to bother their arse to actually get a job. And these so called drainers are costing money and time - handouts etc. So I think a sanction is good, as it will give them a wake up call due to lack of respect of just not turning up because they wanted a lie in or making up some lame excuse. It will teach them a lesson, and taking away their only income will do that.
If they don't want to be penniless etc, as I understand dole is sometimes all people live on, then they need to obide by the rules.

backaftera2yearbreak · 31/01/2018 21:47

Let me tell you something. I work for a local authority welfare rights service. We’re near one of the biggest job centres in town. A number of our clients are employees if the jobcentre. Stress, anxiety, depression, self harm, suicide bids, mobility issues and cognitive impairments. Team leaders outright refusal to make reasonable adjustments for these people to carry on their jobs has brought them to us. They are people like the rest of us. Do not give them a hard tine.