Aibu to ask what you think of the dad who value breastfeeding this much?

[PaiMeisWhiteEyebrows]

I was wondering whether I'm right in thinking that, in general, Mumsnet is a pro-breastfeeding parenting website? That is, whilst recognizing that across the spectrum of our members there will be those who struggle to breastfeed as well as those who choose not to, and we remain sympathetic to the former whilst respecting the choices of the latter, the general principle of the benefits of breastfeeding is something we value? With the ongoing discussions about biological realities and safe spaces, I'm having a hard time getting my head around this journey: www.milkjunkies.net/p/my-story.html If a feminist identifies as Spartacus and a mother identifies as pro-breastfeeding, how can we put this story into that context?

I had a discussion about this last night with my husband. He doesn’t think that trans men who give birth and breastfeed while they are living as men, are really living as men. I think that’s a reasonable opinion.

He's a transman, not a trans identified female.

Men don't get pregnant, gestate, give birth, and create milk. Females do.

Callamia I think my wife agrees.

He is biologically a woman.

Therefore can breastfeed.

And should be allowed access to female breastfeeding facilities.

You are comparing apples with oranges. The views expressed on here about transwomen relate to their insistence on using the safe spaces of the opposite sex.

This trans man is not trying to invade the safe space of the opposite sex.

Sorry - stupid phone.
I also think that if it were possible for men to breastfeed, then some (many?) would do so happily, so I have no issue with someone choosing to feed their child like this (whatever gender they identify as).

I guess the issue isn’t about how the child is being fed, more whether it’s incompatible with the the gender they choose to live as. And if so, what alternative is there?

But should he be allowed access to men-only spaces?

"Trans identified males are taking over women's spaces, putting them at physical and mental risk. A trans identified female, accessing a LLL meeting to enable a successful breastfeeding relationship, is not doing anything of the kind. There is a huge difference."

Seconded.

“But should he be allowed access to men-only spaces?”

What has that to do with breastfeeding?

You are just trying to dress up the same old argument. But trying to distract by throwing a bit of breastfeeding in there.

Hasn’t worked.

I wonder if most men would want to breastfeed if they could. I hope s. For some reason that idea makes me feel hopeful about something intangible but I'm not sure why!

*hope so

But a breastfeeding circle isn't a men-only area. It's a woman-only area, and Trevor is a woman, so there's no problem.

(I di have a problem with Trevor banging on and on about how very special they are, but that's a different problem.)

I felt really jealous when our kids were born and I couldn't breastfeed them. I hadn't expected to feel that way, but I did. Not sure if men feel that way though. It may be just women do...?

I should add, I'm a woman but my wife had our kids!

I cannot understand why someone who identifies as male wants to get pregnant or breast feed,he had his breasts removed because he did not want to look female yet still gets pregnant?

Kudos to Trevor for still calling it breastfeeding, rather than chestfeeding

Annie Trevor would insist he is a man.

Are we being disrespectful to Trevor by saying he is a woman??

Ridiculous. It's a biological woman attention seeker Narcissus. The poor child will probably grow up a straight, gender stereotypical Tory voter .

What do you think OP?

Your turn.

PaiMei I'm sure Trevor would. Trevor is free to do that if they wish, but - for the moment at least - Trevor is unable to force me into repeating a lie.

Can one vote for the Tories in Canada, then?

Gertrude I'm honestly not sure. I worry that if being transgender is like being gay for those who experience it (as some say), then I'm a huge hypocrite. If that is the case I of all people should be the ally of transpeople after all. BUT instinctively I see so many of the feminist issues on transwomen and safe spaces as valid. So waver between viewpoints.

Men can't breastfeed

Ok OP. It’s not an issue if he goes into men’s spaces because the men won’t know she has a vagina and even if they did, it won’t be them who is afraid of being raped, sexually assaulted or abused. But as PP have said, this is a natal female entering a female space. Even if another woman using the facilities thought she was a male by the way she presents her gender identity, the baby suckling on her tit should set them straight.