To think these baby boomers are missing the point?

[Hundredacrewoods]

I grew up in an area where house prices have quadrupled since 2000. I consider this an intergenerational equity issue. Whenever the topic of house prices and 'millennials' comes up with my parents' generation, all I hear is how hard they worked and how much they sacrificed to get on the property ladder. AIBU to think that they're missing the point? No one is denying that they worked hard and sacrificed. The point is that if they worked just as hard today, and made the same sacrifices, it wouldn't be anywhere near enough.

Our Government is warping the property market.

Curious, you said you keep asking what we want the Boomers to do.

We told you.

Sucks when an answer is not to your liking, eh.

My husband had a shoebox sized mobile phone in about 1984.He had a regular sized one by about 1990 when we married. Nothing fancy, a Nokia as I recall.
Yes three jobs as head of two separate schools and a civil service job all balanced around each other very carefully.
Many more things are possible than people imagine.
The children are much better placed to buy than we were.

My husband had a shoebox sized mobile phone in about 1984.He had a regular sized one by about 1990 when we married. Nothing fancy, a Nokia as I recall.

Can I ask - what's the point you are making here with the mobile phone stuff?

Er okay so we can be head of two schools plus a civil service job all at once
yes I can see that would be one solution

curious, why is it 'weird' to ask for people to have a bit of empathy?
i suggest you read the whole thread - might make you understand what we're all getting at.

We told you. Yeah, the most coherent responses have been that they should just shut up! what other things have been said, what did I miss?

Other threads have suggested that they give their money, houses, possessions to their kids, cos their kids have greater need.

Here it just seems to be that Boomers should speak nicely, admit to not understanding the younger generation - something that we will ALL be saying as we reach our 70s, that isn't a Boomer characteristic, it is just an age thing!

Sucks when an answer is not to your liking, eh. Yes! Shut the fuck up does tend to annoy people.

I am not a Boomer by the way!

Yeah, the most coherent responses have been that they should just shut up! what other things have been said, what did I miss?

Oh dear. No one said that at all. But yeah, carry on pretending.

why is it 'weird' to ask for people to have a bit of empathy? It isn't but what would that fix? What good would it do? A sticking plaster on a severed leg!!??

i suggest you read the whole thread - might make you understand what we're all getting at. I get it, I do. You don't like the way older people talk and think about younger people.

But you don't have a problem with how younger people think or talk about older people - which robs your comment about empathy of much meaning!

No one said that at all Read back a few pages*

There is far more inequity between me and any of the top 1% cash rich in the UK than there is between me and any Boomer who owns their home and has a good pension. I'd happily join in with anyone who wants to do discuss how to reduce the gap between the Haves and Have Nots based purely on their assets.
It's possible to care about the 1% AND simultaneously be fed up with BBs kicking younger generations while they 're down
Yesterday a young mum got on the bus. The BBs on front of my launched into a loud rant aimed at her and her generation, jist being "we didn't have iphones, then they complain that they can't buy^

A. Of course you didn't have a fucking iphone, unless you also had a time machine
B. The young woman didn't have an iPhone anyway, she was holding a big standard android
C. I wouldn't ever get any over time without a smart phone. Overtime all goes online and first to click gets it. In my parents/grandparents day you could literally "sign up" for overtime during working hours. The working world these days assumed you have internet access.

This was not by any means an unusual or isolated incident

But not age
"WE didn't spend all of our money on iPhones like young people do"
is about age
BBs keep making it about age
Apparently young renters are turning their noses up left right and centre at homes that need a little work, this is total fallacy.

It's kicking people while they're down and it's nasty and people are fed up with it

I'm a boomer and you're talking crap, Curious.

The last house price drop was in 2008 and the lowest prices were in about 2011. Some areas of the country still haven’t yet recovered the 2007/8 prices despite other areas having soared. I don’t understand your comment

Go look at the real terms house prices graph on the housepricecrash.co.uk homepage. In the 2008 "crash", prices went from astronomical to merely obscene. The trough is higher than the peak of the 1980s bubble. Unfortunately your post is fairly typical of what young people have to endure on the subject, the "haves" with a vague feeling of prices having been high when they bought, a vague feeling that it's not difficult now, a vague feeling of having worked harder than young people now which doesn't stack up if you do the actual maths.

How is that? Bluelady

Am I talking crap when all I have been saying is that BBs can say and do what they like, they have lived their lives, made the best of them. That they don't understand the younger generation is nothing unusual!

The moaners need to do the same! Not waste their time moaning that some people have more than they do and don't like it when it is pointed out to them!

Which is, not so ironically, the response I am getting from said moaners here

Yeah, the most coherent responses have been that they should just shut up! what other things have been said, what did I miss?

No one just said boomers should shut up. No one. Plenty of things were said. Yes, you did miss loads. Deliberately, I guess. Its a weird way to debate.

Good night all. I am off for tea. You can now moan about BBs without my irritating blather.

Much good it will do you!

Helmet
The phone thing was in reference to a baby boomer (I think) earlier saying they didn’t have a mobile until the late 90’s.

Just for the record as a late adopter gen x I didn’t get one til the beginning of this century.

"My husband had a shoebox sized mobile phone in about 1984."

No wonder you were eating beans on toast.

Yes three jobs as head of two separate schools and a civil service job all balanced around each other very carefully. Many more things are possible than people imagine.

This makes not a jot of sense. It is not possible to balance these jobs 'around each other very carefully' without being negligent. And I doubt it ever was.

'The moaners, the moaners.'

Hilarious.

What is coming across curious is that you're unwilling to listen
Rather than acknowledge your (as a generation) good fortune you are saying to others less fortunate 'stop moaning and make the best of it' in other words I'm alright jack

You've got until about 6 am to give me a list of anything more coherent that was suggested. You won't find anything...

And you know full well I paraphrased and that a few people have said BBs should be quiet!

But I also know you won't accept that as being reasonable!

Also I'm not saying that my parents and PILs didn't work hard, they did.
But, in both of their fields, they had permanent contracts and benefits in jobs which today would be either zero hours or short contracts. People working today in the same job titles that they had have less financial security. Demands have increased and hours have extended in the fields they worked in. And certainly could not buy comparable homes to what PIL s or DPs bought while doing those jobs.

That route just isn't available today.

They DID have it easier in that respect.
Lecturing young people about how they worked hard and went without to do up their own home (which is a Labour if love and satisfying, not a massive heardship) is hurtful and ignorant and frustrating.

Last one... try reading Hatty... I AM NOT A BOOMER!

And all I have said is it is STUPID to moan about life's inequities, it does you no good... it just makes you bitter!

I haven't said anything about putting up with shit, just focussing on what might help, not making yourself miserable by always looking at the supposedly greener grass!

Bye!

I’m not young at all. I just feel a bit sorry for youngsters. I am polite to everyone and I try to see each point of view. I can see yours curious, but having a bit of sympathy isn’t a bad thing? My siblings are ‘boomers’ they get the problems ( mostly) I’m not rude to them because they have more than me in assets etc. I try not to get wound up when my sil goes on about being ‘mortgage ‘ free etc. I can see why it might wind someone up who hasn’t got a home! I don’t have all the answers, no more than you do I guess. But something should be done. It’s a complex situation I agree. Not one that the government seems to want to address.