To think (worry) kids are so confused these days? (Trans)

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This story is in the Independent and doing the rounds on twitter etc. Supposed to be a 17yr old high school kid telling of his huge crush on a transgirl in school. He wants to ask her out and turned to reddit for advice. Says he’s worried about others reactions and that they might think he’s gay. All seems so sweet and heartwarming - but.

He’s being put on a pedestal and told to go for it - all seems to be hugely encouraging - even famous trans actor Laverne Cox tweeted their approval.

My issue is - is everyone forgetting that the his transgirl will have a male body beneath the feminine exterior. Or have we reached a place where this actually doesn’t matter anymore and this is the brave new word - the future? Where sex is sidelined for gender identity. So is this a heart warming progressive tale, a sign of things to come - or is it weird, are our children being brainwashed into a new way of thinking, a new society shske up really. Is this where our kids are heading. Attraction to gender the aim rather than sex/biological attraction. Anyone else find this somewhat weird snd even sinister? Who is pushing this brave new ideology?

This is a long thread of it on twitter. And the Indy article.

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I don't see any problem with falling in love with people rather than a specific sex.

Are you worried about what that says about his sexual identity? If so, I don't think that's really your problem.

Very progressive, especially the fear that people might think he’s gay. Can’t possibly have that.

Laurie

Well that depends if he’s actually straight and attracted to women/girls or is actually gay or bi where his attraction to this transgirl wold make more sense. There is a push amongst some young folk/teens that sex is immaterial - attraction should be based on gender/gender identify - no matter what body parts/modifications they have.

I'm hetero, I like men. This doesn't mean I fancy anyone with a penis. I tend to fall for personality, character, a certain look and feeling.

If this young chap fancies the trans girl then he should crack on. I don't see it as anyone's business other than the consulting adults involved - whatever they may identify as. To that end this is not sinister in the slightest. What would be is pushing a doctrine that suggests heterosexuality is the only acceptable 'normal' way of living ones life.

I'd just like to add that I think identity-politics has gone too far and is now the pastime of righteous millennials and ardent terfs but it's not my place to condemn two consulting adults' sexual proclivities.

Another side note - I also don't regard the term 'terf' as a slur - I've said many a time that if being able to think critically about gender & sex renders me a terf then I'm happy to wear the badge with pride. What is nonsensical is having a transwoman 'women's officer', not who teens are shagging or otherwise.

I don't for one second believe that that was actually written by a 17 year old boy.

It's too cleverly written - 'oh I mean I guess she's natural down there but then I don't think that's really as important as what she's like' (paraphrasing)

It's exactly what trans activists want everyone to be like - accept physical boys as girls just because they want to wear a pretty dress and call themselves Sheila. Bollocks.

im sure hes pretty aware that the transgirl has a male body.

I really dont think this is the big problem with the whole trans thing. You fancy who you fancy

I do get what you mean I think.

I mean presumably this boy knows that underneath this 'transgirl' has a male body and has decided that that doesn't matter and he is attracted to her anyway.

I think my concern is that teenagers/young adults will be pushed into doing things they are not comfortable with or just don't really enjoy (because they are not actually attracted to the physical body of that sex) because they want to be seen as 'inclusive, progressive, an ally' and definitely dont want to be seen an transphobic.

We have already seen it with young lesbian women.

If you follow the logic that 'attraction isn't about genitals etc' to its conclusion then you effectively erase sexuality as a concept.

Vlad -

would you date a man with a vagina though? To me that would be the equivalent to this case. I got the impression the boy was saying he’s straight - i assume (perhaps wrongly) that generally means he’s attracted to boobs and vaginas/female bodies.

I guess I’m surprised very few commenting on social media seem to have pointed out that this transgirl doesn't have the actual body that most young straight males go for. It just feels all so disconnected. Or our kids are forging a new model of society where girls have penises.

You're making this about sex versus gender, but there's no evidence that this is playing a part.

He's attracted to this person. Many people are bi sexual to some degree. I don't see the problem.

*I don't for one second believe that that was actually written by a 17 year old boy.

It's too cleverly written - 'oh I mean I guess she's natural down there but then I don't think that's really as important as what she's like' (paraphrasing)

It's exactly what trans activists want everyone to be like - accept physical boys as girls just because they want to wear a pretty dress and call themselves Sheila. Bollocks.*

Magic - that occurred to me as i read it. Seemed either like a parody or a propoganda piece - to promote this new way of thinking - that’s why i found it disconcerting- like drip, drip to the public - especially kids to make all this seem fabulously progressive and normal.

I already know of a teen age girl who got sucked into this through school friends and likes of tumbler.

I agree that it doesn't read like it's authentic either but then I don't know much about 17 year olds and their angst!

I think that the advice given is very poor. The boy should be prepared, assuming that he is straight, to feel disappointed or repulsed if they get to the seeing each other naked stage. I would imagine that it must be very hard to love someone but find it impossible to be attracted to their naked body. The feelings of guilt but be terrible but not as bad as feeling obliged to play along. Then of course there are long term issues. It's rare for people to meet their future wife or husband at that age but it happens. Infertility in a partner may not seem like a big deal at 17 but it is when you are thirty. Being in a relationship with a transwoman is not the same as being in a relationship with a natal woman. He needs to be prepared for the challenges that will arise for both their sakes.

I think questions such as this involve a rhetoric which dictates what people are 'allowed' to physically be sexually attracted to.

Questioning how male and female are defined, inevitably affects how people determine their sexuality. If the definition of male and female becomes fuzzy or fluid then people's sexuality is affected because it no longer can easily be associated with biologically determined sexual characteristics. Socially constructed gender is then key which can mask or disguise biological sex. Yet people are still people who could have a biological urge to be attracted to a particular sex and the body parts that are associated with that sex (not gender)

Eggsonhesds

That’s exactly what seems to be missing amongst the rush to congratulate and encourage this boy on. As though biological reality doesn’t exist. I mean, what could possibly go wrong.

My concern is that this gender/gender identity over biology/sex is now bring introduced and taught in our primary schools. My kids are already in high school and scoff at this ideology but if it had been introduced to them as fact in infant school?

I'm sorry but I see no problem here at all. If he thinks he likes her why not explore a relationship? Trans or not you might find you have sexual chemistry or not. I think it is his choice (and hers obviously!)

What I do think is shocking is people (so far it has always been lesbian bio women when I have seen it) being told they are bigots because they say they wouldn't have sex with someone with a penis. I have even seen that likened to reverse rape. Unfucking believable.

I would assume he's bisexual/curious to some degree or another and has found an acceptable outlet.

a boy discovering he has sexual feelings towards someone that is trans is not even comparable to trans activists trying to insult and pressurising lesbians into having sex with cock.

TBH, the only bit I have a problem with is the worrying that people might think you’re gay. The homophobic bit that we need to move beyond.

People should be able to be interested in and attracted to whomever they like without having to worry about stupid judgements.

Branleuse I think it is just the permutations of this new trans ideally showing up and affecting other pockets of society. There are going to be sectors of society where the effects are more pertinent. Is sexuality concerned with sex or gender? Do biological urges exist or is sexuality more psychological and societally constructed. The trans ideology seems to be dictating that biology's affects upon sexuality is defunct and should be denied.

I hear you, OP.

And the question begs to be asked if all sexes dressed, styled their hair and groomed themselves identically, would everyone have the same sexuality, in terms of feeling physically attracted to someone, according to trans ideology?

The deeply conservative notion that it is OK for a young male human to be attracted to another young male human do long as one of them identifies as a girl (because being gay would be A Bad Thing) is one of the most potentially damaging aspects of the current fashion for trans.

Magpie Is sexuality concerned with sex or gender? Do biological urges exist or is sexuality more psychological and societally constructed. The trans ideology seems to be dictating that biology's affects upon sexuality is defunct and should be denied.

Yes it raises all this, interesting and worthybof duscussion no matter what your view on current identity politics is.