Benefit fraud action

[gordan]

I’ve got a friend and she confessed to me that she reported her cousin for benefit fraud.

Her cousin has five children. Her And her husband claim tax credits for the kids and child benefit. Husband claims Jsa. My friend said the husband does cash in hand work getting 300 per week. The cousin started work on the side. My friend said she works fir a family friends business and may have declared she is working 10 hours but in reality working full time. Her employers as they family friends have probably given her a payslip reflecting she works 10 hours per week. On top of this they have 60.000 in savings. They have a rental property which they have not declared and opened a bank account for this rental property. The cousin goes on holidays in five star hotels and has renovated home and bought new car.
My friend said she wanted her cousin to claim the right amount of benefit And so shopped her for fraud. My friend said what they are getting in tax credits with what they are earning is a lot of money. She says she shopped them 6 months ago but nothing seems to have been done. Also my friend says the cousin husband was dobbed last time by someone, for working cash in hand but he got the people he was working for to say he was a volunteer.

My friend says that she doesn’t understand why this is the case of them not being prosecuted. Surely they would see what bank accounts the cousin has. My friend said they were going to put the rental
Income property in the eldest sons name who is 19. But surely if there was an investigation they would query how this 19 year old got a rental property. The mortgage had been set up by a private mortgage firm. But my friend said they used a normal bank account.

My friend said what’s the point of having benefit fraud if nothing happens especially with this case. There is literally 100,s of pounds they are claiming which they are not entitled to.
I’ve told her it’s best to leave it as she done was she could.

abilockhart
If you read the thread, 1) you'll realise it's bloody nonsense and 2) you will note that more is left in the public purse due to unclaimed benefits than is lost through fraud. Ergo nonsense.

Your post makes no sense they can earn £300 and still receive full taxcredits as they have five dc. They can also have 60k in savings and get full tax credits.
So they are risking everything just for jsa, I don't think so!

They sound like people who actually have sod all and are trying to make themselves look and sound like tjey have it all when they don't

And just to clarify, we get housing benefit, tax credits and child benefit and our children were born before I got ill.

Think that’s all bases covered!

Your friend's cousin is sounding more and more like Billy Bullshit to me, OP. Possibly she enjoys winding your friend up and watching her go.

I agree, Billy Bullshit is working overtime

"There are more people not claiming the benefits they’re entitled too than they are defrauding the system"

There is no way of knowing this is actually correct as if people are getting away with it they are not on the radar and can not be counted!

I’m not on any benefits never have been.
But I did used to be a benefit fraud dept head
And I think this is bollocks.

God, that 'private mortgage' is priceless.

Is the money stuffed into private mattresses, OP?

Because DH is self employed, we have reported in the past for tax fraud (by a member of our family) totally malicious and untrue but it leaves a nasty taste in your mouth especially when you know that it was "family".
It wouldn't have been so bad if we hadn't been financially really struggling at the time, and the "cash in hand" work that DH was doing was 2 morning paper rounds before he went to work!

i dont know if this thread is a wind up but some replys are wrong

their is not a cap if you are working or you fit the criteria set by the DWP

The dwp/council does not check for assets as run of the mill unless they think fraud or things dont add uptheyr are suppose to be cross referencing but that dosent seem to happen

do you really think they check land registry,bankaccounts etc with every claim,this is why fraud occurs

EXAMPLE

Joe Bloggs made a legitimate claim then his great aunt gave him £20k he put some in his kids account spent some and kept the rest at home

if declared his rent and council tax would of been affected for starters but they dont know anything about it

Info from shelter
england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/housing_benefit/what_is_the_benefit_cap

Playground mn with the childish 'grass ' concept approves of theft and fraud, except when they get burgled.

There is a big backlog, hopefully these people will get punished eventually.

Bumbumtalloo are you me?! All the money in the world would mean fuck all when you're in constant agony/wasted on medicine/not sure you'll be around to see your child's teenage years. Benefit fraudsters are a fucking disgrace but so are malicious reporters, for whom there should be some comeback/deterrent and punishment.

Yes I know what a poor house is some of my ancestors spent time in them! It made them do what they could to get out of them and pay there own way.
Unlike today when so many people look at the benefit system as a way to get money for free.

gordan if your cousin is telling the truth then they were right to report it.

BUT the poster who mentioned the person trying to get maximum points for their DLA, i disagree. that is what those claiming to get PIP or DLA do- and as long as they are describing their limitations honestly and not exaggerating they are not commiting fraud. it is fraud if the person is exaggerating or lying about what they can or can't do. and the medical checks are very thorough. that is why PIP and DLA have the lowest rate of fraud. I am not saying there aren't those who falsely claim. the fake DLA claims I have read about in the papers seem to be stories of people who were once legitimately disabled and then became able or significantly more able and they did not report the change.

or the people who claim JSA and also work cash in hand on a builder's site. or those who claim they live alone when they have a partner. these two scenarios seem to oocur omore often but even then i do not consider JSA claimants generally thieves. consider that JSA is not allowed to be claimed for more than a certain period of time without the person finding a job. a claimant with a disability that affects the kind of work they can do may get more leeway but an able bodied person on JSA will eventually reach a time when they are told to take any job available or lose their JSA. It certainly is not an easy ride. and actually a pitiful amount to live on

their is not a cap if you are working or you fit the criteria set by the DWP

They define working as earning at least 530 pcm if UC or working at least 16 hours per week if tax credits. This make believe couple wouldn’t qualify for an exemption based on the info given by the op.
They would be exempt if the make believe situation was really happening and people knew there was more work going on than declared.
As the amount they declare is not enough to qualify them as working

fuzzyduck1 I don't think it is many people who think like that. definitely a few bad apples, though. i still would prefer a society with welfare benefits than the poorhouse system though, wouldn't you? i would not want those places brought back

@gordan your friend did the right thing...It was probably a tough call to make what with it being family but screw it. It's not fair when you think of some families in need who suffer the cuts and caps. Some here may call your friend a grass but I figure they've probably got their reasons for that type of namecalling...'Friend' needs to ignore it as an adult who either gets taxed out the ahole or on benefits themselves who have to bare their soul for a measly few quid a week or god forbid their disabled and have suffered cuts. It's not something anyone should put up with. This is coming from someone who a very long time ado was 'shopped' (for letting my on/off homeless boyfriend at the time sleep on my sofa 2-3 times a week because he had college nearby and couldn't afford transport and had nowhere to clean his clothes. Any other time it was another waif or stray that needed somewhere to crash and I never asked any of them for a penny) had my benefits stopped immediately (I don't recall there being food banks back then either) I lost my appeals because the "informant" had enough evidence! (I suspect this to be one of the waifs and strays who decided to bring drugs into my home and doing so lost a couch space) Was ordered to pay back over £10.000 income support! Yet I'm not bitter (anymore) I learned to adapt and survive and to not trust everyone who smiles at you!
@SpitefulMidLifeAnimal
That's a strong reaction!
Does any of that mentioned in O.Ps post actually seem fair to you?
Or are you one of them who take the complete piss too.
I'm sorry but as someone who has previously paid taxes tho currently taking time out due to issue with SEN child and my partner paying a lot of tax into this fcked up system that we're not allowed to get anything back out of, even though we're really struggling absolutely gives me the rage to think someone would defend that behaviour.

No one likes a thief and fraud is stealing

People who say don't grass, if their house is burgled by someone their neighbour knows, I bet they'd beg their neighbour to grass! Hypocrites.

People who say don’t grass also use the phrase

Don’t shit on your own doorstep

Translation means

Go steal of some other fecker

@barefoofdoctor I’m sorry you have to go through feeling like this too, it really is shite

My partner works for DWP, he claims it takes 6 months to 2 years to investigate a fraud allegation although for complicated cases it can take much longer as they have to get the HRMC and police involved and arrest warrants written etc. Substantial, unarguable evidence must be given in any case though.