Benefit fraud action

[gordan]

I’ve got a friend and she confessed to me that she reported her cousin for benefit fraud.

Her cousin has five children. Her And her husband claim tax credits for the kids and child benefit. Husband claims Jsa. My friend said the husband does cash in hand work getting 300 per week. The cousin started work on the side. My friend said she works fir a family friends business and may have declared she is working 10 hours but in reality working full time. Her employers as they family friends have probably given her a payslip reflecting she works 10 hours per week. On top of this they have 60.000 in savings. They have a rental property which they have not declared and opened a bank account for this rental property. The cousin goes on holidays in five star hotels and has renovated home and bought new car.
My friend said she wanted her cousin to claim the right amount of benefit And so shopped her for fraud. My friend said what they are getting in tax credits with what they are earning is a lot of money. She says she shopped them 6 months ago but nothing seems to have been done. Also my friend says the cousin husband was dobbed last time by someone, for working cash in hand but he got the people he was working for to say he was a volunteer.

My friend says that she doesn’t understand why this is the case of them not being prosecuted. Surely they would see what bank accounts the cousin has. My friend said they were going to put the rental
Income property in the eldest sons name who is 19. But surely if there was an investigation they would query how this 19 year old got a rental property. The mortgage had been set up by a private mortgage firm. But my friend said they used a normal bank account.

My friend said what’s the point of having benefit fraud if nothing happens especially with this case. There is literally 100,s of pounds they are claiming which they are not entitled to.
I’ve told her it’s best to leave it as she done was she could.

how many times they had to fill in the dla forms until they got the maximum.

DLA doesn't work like like this. You could fill in the forms 10x a day and keep applying everyday and if you are not entitled to an award, you still won't get one. And they tend to require a fair amount of proof anyway..for an award.

I know from experience that even a very thick folder filled wth cosultant notes, a+e admissions, GP notes, pain clinic notes..still hasn't been enough for me. Instead the word of an ex midwife was taken over all of the highly qualified people who are specifically trained in my illness and I am now awaiting tribunal. So forgive me if I am a bit about the claim that its just about reapplying and reapplying

60k hidden in the mattresses. Right, aye.

I think you're trying out the latest shit plot of EE. Even Danny Dire might baulk at that one.

What a bitter horrible jealous cow your friend is!

OP if you're going to write fiction the important thing is not to over egg the pudding.

There are clearly loads of people on benefit on threads like this. Some who might do the same as the cousin. GOOD FOR WHOEVER REPORTED BENEFIT FRAUDS!

It's a goady troll thread designed just for people like you to flap your gums, steamy.

It's the Daily Mail of mumsnet threads.

The amount of benefit fraud is a huge figure - around £2bn a year - but it's dwarfed by the amount which goes unclaimed.

The total unclaimed amount for the DWP’s estimates alone – pension credit, housing benefit, jobseeker’s allowance, income support and employment and support allowance – is £13bn a year.

BishopBrennansArse it is goady because you dont like what it says? So you label it what you want? I am neither left or right but lefties offend me as much as DM readers.

lefties offend me Good grief that made me laugh, it's not an insult you know, it's a description of political leaning. Personally, they make me feel comfortable, I know they'll be sympathetic to my plight, empathetic with regard to my disabilities, but hey, you get offended. Do you worry about political correctness too?
With regard to the thread, of course it's goady, look at it, read it, it's a pile of (badly written) nonsense.

Steamy it's goady because it's believable for someone to be claiming jsa and be working on the side.

But 60k in savings and a house? There is no way that combination would get past DWP and HMRC. It's a simple enough land registry search.

Oh and an understanding boss also willing to fraud HMRC? Not going to happen.

Too many variables. One of the above you'd get away with, not all of them.

I’m only repeating what she has told me. I did think how could she have got a house And hid the rental income. But cousin had told her she had used a private mortgage to get it. As for those savings I really don’t know how or where she has stashed it but she thinks she’s stuffed it somewhere. There might be a bit of jealousy with the holidays and things the family have bought. The point is theyve claimed benefit and been paid accordingly to what they stated they have earned.

Another two things - having this level of intimate knowledge of another person"s financial affairs is abnormal, even if you are family.

Also look at the time the OP was posted, late night. These controversial threads often are. Wonder why? 🙄

They don't check. You apply, you get. They don't check if Fred Bloggs from XYZ estate working as a warehouse assistant has savings in every ISA< bank< building society, share scheme . They just pay.

They don't check. You apply, you get

Bollocks.

Perhaps the cousin of the frauder is lying about the amount to make her look less like a grass to you.

I say this because claiming benefits isn’t as easy as just filling out the forms. You have to provide proof for disabilities and it’s bloody hard to get anything nowadays.

Wow, your “friends” cousin should become a financial adviser, £60,000 savings, a rental property and all the other stuff on 2 relatively low paid jobs, plus max £26000 benefits. DH and I can’t afford that on two very good salaries, with no kids, and no mortgage.

Omgineed don’t forget those 5* holidays for 7 people!

And the new car.! And “renovated home” so they clearly own that too, unless of course they are so swimming in money they’ve renovated someone else’s property.

Im confused, is there a public mortgage? I thought all mortgages were private, it truly reads like an article from the Scum

Uh huh.

This sounds like bollocks...I’d suggest your ‘friend’ doesn’t know as much about the cousin’s situation as she thinks.

Claiming benefits isn’t just filling in a form and money appears as if by magic. I get PIP/DLA...and I had to go to an assessment, provide evidence from doctors and consultants, have a physical examination and all that malarkey.

Somebody maliciously reported me for benefit fraud a while ago (they said that I wasn’t a single parent and that my boyfriend was living with me - he doesn’t). Luckily they knew so little about my circumstances that they didn’t even get his name right, and the woman I spoke to was very understanding (I offered to provide any and all evidence but it was so clearly a malicious report that it was just thrown out immediately). I imagine the person who reported me was probably frothing at the mouth about ‘nothing being done’ too.

It's stealing from the public purse and means less people who need it get adequate funding

Gilead Thu 25-Jan-18 22:44:43
Nonsense.

An interesting response, Gilead

So, all of us can start claiming billions fraudulently from the public purse knowing that it will have no effect whatsoever on those who actually need the support of a welfare state?
How absolutely brilliant of you to work that one out !!

What's a private mortgage? A mortgage is a mortgage . There's no such thing as a public one.

Credit reports will though up mortgages and most savings accounts .

And can't you only claim JSA for a max of 12 months now ?

I think the cousin is winding your friend up

I claim ESA & PIP there was no fill a form in and get although I’m one of the ‘lucky’ ones who hasn’t had to fight to get what I’m entitled to. My husband is now my carer and gets £62.70 for looking after me and our DC.

Shock horror I have a brand new car - paid for by my enhanced PIP payment - which comes out of my benefits, so not a free car as people seem to think.

I also have a flat screen TV and Sky, I know in some eyes that makes me the lowest of the low that’s fine if people want to think that but I would love for them to be a fly on the wall in my house. When I’m sobbing at 3am for the 5th night in a row because I’m in pain and can’t sleep. Or can’t physically get myself to the bathroom and before we moved into a bungalow, pissing myself because I couldn’t get to our upstairs toilet and my pride got in the way of asking my DH to carry me. Oh yeah, it’s a housing association bungalow too, I guess that’s another reason to think we are taking the piss.

I have only been on holiday once since I’ve been ill and raking all this money in, we stayed in a caravan in the UK paid for by my MIL. Honestly I would rather have stayed at home but agreed to go because our DD’s miss out on enough because of my illness. And tbh it probably would have been better for them if I didn’t go as there was lots of times I couldn’t go out or do stuff with them.

We have been reported for benefit fraud, more than once and each and every time it’s been proven to be malicious but you know what, I actually don’t give a shit that people report us, we have done nothing wrong and we and the relevant agencies know this.

Would I report others, actually yes I have. It was someone at the time who we were very close to and they used to brag about it to us, so yes I reported them and we distanced ourselves from them.

Sorry for the rant but sometimes it really pisses me off that people think everyone on benefits is playing the system or has an amazing life, filled with holidays and free cars. When in reality for many people it’s not, it’s just surviving.