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to think that the idea of women as 'decoration' for the male gaze in sports like F1 and boxing is outdated?

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kalapattar · 25/01/2018 16:32

Formula One has its 'grid girls' -- women who stand in front of the cars holding up numbers and mingling with the sponsors - as well as those who award the winner with a kiss

Boxing has its 'round girls' - women who walk around the ring holding the round number

Cycling has its 'podium girls'.

Then there's 'booth babes' - used famously at Las Vegas tech show to attract male customers to the booths for the different clients.

www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/01/12/ces-booth-babes-less-obvious-but-theyre-not-gone/1029060001/

Isn't this all just a little bit outdated? Why do these companies need beautiful, young women to mingle with their (mainly male ) sponsors, give awards to their male winners, and to pose at their conferences?

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DustyMaiden · 25/01/2018 16:35

Definitely, it’s even in darts now.

specialsubject · 25/01/2018 16:35

It is very cringey but as always - if no one was willing to do it then it would not happen. These girls do know what is involved - stand and hold a placard, kiss a cyclist etc.

It is time no one was willing to do it.

kalapattar · 25/01/2018 16:36

The answer about why companies use models is this:

"At the American Bass car audio booth, Gurwin Ahuja says he hires models for a simple reason: It works.

"Given our core consumer audience, males 18 to 34, it just brings attention," said Ahuja, whose father owns the Solon, Ohio, company. "You’ve got all the biggest companies in the world competing against each other at this conference. … Every year it gets harder and harder to get attention. Everyone’s trading on attention.""

But then this happens

Orion general manager Edgar Cedeno, who hired the women at a day rate of $250, says it’s not about being sexist but about breaking the ice with conventioneers.

“The girls are giving out (product materials). My girls are well covered. They’re not showing more than they’re supposed to ... nothing too sexy,” he said.

Flores would prefer to be called a "booth model" than a "booth babe."
Ivette Flores, a paid model for the Orion Car Audio

Ivette Flores, a paid model for the Orion Car Audio booth. (Photo: Edward Baig/USA TODAY)

“You’re not always going to look this way, and if you can find your way to monetize it without jeopardizing your character and having people respect your boundaries then you should do it," she said.

A few minutes later, those boundaries were crossed when a man reached around and grabbed her buttocks as she took a picture with him.

That kind of behavior — which Flores said she quickly stopped — contributes to the pernicious sexism that women in tech say keeps them from advancing or even entering the industry at all.

"But women who attended the show — particularly from 1998 to 2011 when it ran concurrently with the Adult Entertainment Expo — say the spectacle of women dancing and posing on the show floor made them feel they were not in a professional place where they would be taken seriously"

The “Elephant in the Valley” survey found that nearly all of the 200-plus senior women in tech who responded had experienced sexist interactions, with 60% of them being subjected to unwanted sexual advances.

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ohfourfoxache · 25/01/2018 16:38

I agree wholeheartedly

I’m an enormous F1 fan and have been since I was a child. But it is horrifically sexist and the grid girls are simply “used”. It’s shit, and IMHO one of the worst things about F1

TinklyLittleLaugh · 25/01/2018 16:42

It's shit isn't it? I love the TDF and the podium girls really grate on me. I know they are covered up and chic, I know it's all very decorous French pecking on the cheek, but why, just why?

So sad that girls should think that all they have to "monetise" is their looks.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 25/01/2018 16:42

There's also an outdated presumption of heterosexuality.

Nikephorus · 25/01/2018 16:42

It is very cringey but as always - if no one was willing to do it then it would not happen. These girls do know what is involved - stand and hold a placard, kiss a cyclist etc.
This ^^. If women refused to participate it would stop. Simple as that. But some women enjoy getting paid for that sort of attention - it's a stepping stone to other (equally dubious) sources of income such as reality tv shows and modelling.

kalapattar · 25/01/2018 16:46

I do wonder what message it gives to men about women.

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Nikephorus · 25/01/2018 16:59

I'd suggest that it says 'some women enjoy the attention', and as it's not balanced in that situation by an opposing message saying 'and some don't' there will be some men who apply it across the board.
There are always going to be some men who will use any excuse to behave badly. Women can't complain about it if some of us give them the excuse in the first place. If we all acted as equals they might start treating us as equals.

kalapattar · 25/01/2018 17:09

You don't see any male equivalents in female sports or female exhibitions.

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Trinity66 · 25/01/2018 17:10

Yeah they have "ring girls"in UFC as well

kalapattar · 25/01/2018 17:11

Yeah they have "ring girls"in UFC as well

What's UFC?

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youarenotkiddingme · 25/01/2018 17:12

In response I'd say it's very interesting to hear what 'Jackie' said this morning on GMB. She was one of the hostesses at the men's only charity event.

She said that woman attend events as hostesses, accept signing non disclosures because usually what they sign for is what they are expected to deliver. Therefore agree with above posters that it happens because there continues to be woman prepared to undertake that role.

Totally agree though about it's necessary function and love watching F1 and continuously cringe at the matching woman parading around.
But it's public and an acting role (as such) rather than being placed their as a toy for men to play with iyswim?

Trinity66 · 25/01/2018 17:13

What's UFC?

Mixed martial Arts, have you heard of Conor McGregor?

latara23 · 25/01/2018 17:22

My friend works for a yacht broker- at the boat shows promotions girls are used.

The only positive is that my friend has got some good beauty tips from them!!

The sexism filters through to the employees of various yacht brokers too - female employees are expected to dress up in a feminine way & to wear heels (except on the pristine yacht decks) even though they are professionals.

I work in healthcare where equality is seen as very important so my friend's working life seems like another world.

ReggaetonLente · 25/01/2018 17:26

Completely agree, I went to the darts at Ally Pally at Christmas and the walk on girls and scantily clad dancers were cringeworthy. Agree that it assumes heterosexuality, and that it assumes women are there as decoration rather than participants or enthusiasts.

Apparently the girls queue up to do it though. They're all talented dancers and it's a good, paid gig.

Over600Ecalypts · 25/01/2018 17:34

It's outdated but, while the companies think it works, they'll keep doing it.

I go to tradeshows and see that the booth-babes are still there but dressed in office wear and often employed as receptionists and greeters for the bigger stands. One company promotes it's sports-related products by hiring younger women to dress in skimpy-ish sportswear and encourage attendees to "score with ". Bleurgh.

One company tested a different approach

meredintofpandiculation · 25/01/2018 17:36

I think the Presidents Club shows us that sadly it is not outdated. At the other end of the spectrum, try looking at a fast food chain and compare the sex ratios on the tills and in the kitchen. There are clearly a lot of managers out there with the belief that pretty girls attract customers.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 25/01/2018 17:40

It turns my piss green. It’s all so insidious.

ChelleDawg2020 · 25/01/2018 17:41

As an F1 fan I can category state that NO F1 fan I know (overwhelmingly male) thinks grid girls are fun, sexy or acceptable. To be fair F1 is not as bad as some sports - the cameramen in motorcycle racing have a worrying tendency to try to look up a grid girl's skirt - but I agree they should be got rid of, and I genuinely don't know anyone who thinks they are positive in any way.

LivLemler · 25/01/2018 18:36

There was a discussion around grid girls in F1 over the winter - Jennie Gow who works on the BBC five live coverage did a podcast on it, I only saw the Twitter conversation around it. It was very disheartening, something like two thirds of the people voting in the Twitter polls were in favour of grid girls. I really hadn't expected that in this day and age.

One grand Prix in the last few years (Monaco?) experimented with grid boys, it didn't go down well at all.

Some races are better than others in terms of the outfits the girls wear, but it's all women as decoration. The job could literally be done by a stand with a number on it.

At least female representation in the sport in non decorative roles is growing, although it's far beyond where it should be.

unplugmefromthematrix · 25/01/2018 18:39

YADDDDNUB. It is terribly outdated and does make it very difficult for women to be taken seriously in those contexts.

However, thankfully I think it might be changing; DH mentioned something to me a little while ago about Silverstone circuit and there is this story here www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2017/12/14/formula-ones-outdated-use-grid-girls-strong-review/ thohg I haven;t read it all.

Also I thnk some cycling events might be rethinkng to but cant remember the details.

I agree with Chelle that many fans don't like it but like with so many industries it is the male (obviously) 'movers and shakers' who seem to really like to see women displayed for their pleasure, rather then the lower ranks.

But again, like Weinstein etc far, far too many people men have kept quiet about their objections - cos its no good if women object as we would just be written off as jealous old hags :(

I really hope we see some change this year

ferntwist · 25/01/2018 18:41

YANBU. It’s just like Jess Phillips said yesterday in Parliament - women being used as bait.

KERALA1 · 25/01/2018 18:41

It's total shit. We were watching cycling (tour de France?) as dh loves it. Girls prancing around the winner on the podium took some explaining to our dds aged 9 and 11. "But why are they there mummy? Have they been in the race too.?"

youarenotkiddingme · 25/01/2018 18:45

The job could literally be done by a stand with a number on

That's actually very true. I seriously wonder if the number of F1 fans would drop if this was the case? I'm female and I'd certainly not change my enthusiasm or viewing habit's of the sport but I do wonder if males or sponsors would adjust their input and/or interest.

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