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To feel sorry for this doctor?

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HarryStylesismycrack · 25/01/2018 16:05

I am not in any way downplaying the death of that beautiful little boy and it is clearly acknowledged there were some failures by the doctor in question however AIBU to feel as though this intervention by the GMC into the independent decision making by the MPTS is concerning? It appears to me that the MPTS took into account many things, not just the outcome (which I completely acknowledge is heartbreaking), the fact that this doctor was working the job of several other medical staff in an unfamiliar environment with significant IT issues with no senior input. It feels like this doctor has been made a bit of a scapegoat for huge systemic failures.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jack-adcock-latest-downs-syndrome-death-doctor-hadiza-babwa-garba-struck-off-general-medical-council-a8177721.html

A different link to a blog by other medical practitioners 54000doctors.org/blogs/an-account-by-concerned-uk-paediatric-consultants-of-the-tragic-events-surrounding-the-gmc-action-against-dr-bawa-garba.html

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AnnaMagnani · 25/01/2018 16:43

Caoraich doctors in training have already been given advice about what cases to pick to do reflections on and to consider how they reflect on them, given they may be picked up as legal evidence.

I think this is really sad and I now have second thoughts about advising any of my juniors to write a reflection.

The letter from the 3 paediatricians is shocking. The suspicion that she is scapegoated because she has a funny name and is the wrong colour is high.

RupertsMum2 · 25/01/2018 16:44

I was once a senior nurse in the NHS. Fear of something like this happening was one of my reasons for leaving.

AuntFidgetWonkhamStrongNajork · 25/01/2018 16:45

Bloody hell. So who gave him the enalapril then?

Babyroobs · 25/01/2018 16:45

The hospital where this happened has had chronic staffing problems for years. I trained there 30 years ago, it was dreadful then and continues to have problems. Working there even years ago still to this day has a profound negative effect on my mental health to this day, I too am shocked at how this Dr and Nurse have been treated.

ChickenPaws · 25/01/2018 16:45

Can they appeal?

cheekyy · 25/01/2018 16:46

They don't know who gave the Enalapril it's so bizarre

HarryStylesismycrack · 25/01/2018 16:49

It was a medication he was prescribed anyway so no way of knowing if it was hospital administered or the poor parents who thought they were doing the right thing giving their son his medication. Whoever gave it is irrelevant really as one thing that isn’t disputed is, it wasn’t this doctor in question.

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ALLIS0N · 25/01/2018 16:50

Nurses and Drs are always scapegoated when things go wrong managers never take responsibility for their own failings the NHS is rotten to the core imo

No. NHS staff are scapegoated by the British public who want to pay less taxes but have better public services. Managers cant spend money they don’t have. This is the austerity that you voted for, people.

You, the electorate , are responsible for the state of the NHS. . If you want change, think of the NHS next time you are in the ballot box.

And yes please, contact the GMC about this doctors case.

theftbyfinding · 25/01/2018 16:50

I agree, this poor doctor has been thrown under the bus. Blame culture serves none of us well in the health service. I suffered a hideous trauma in hospital years ago and the doctor concerned apologised to me immediately and accepted responsibility. I was satisfied he made a human error and that was the end of the matter. I know it's rare for anyone to admit error in medicine but I really feel if there were fewer legal ramifications from doing so, we'd all be better served.

olympicsrock · 25/01/2018 16:50

I am a doctor and have read the full details of this case. The details are appalling particularly the GMC decision to strike her off despite the decision of the independent panel MPTS. I feel very very sorry for this junior doctor who has been made. A scapegoat

ChickenPaws · 25/01/2018 16:51

You wouldn’t give the enalapril unless it was written up. No nurse in her right mind would do that, it’s just not done.

hibbledibble · 25/01/2018 16:56

I work for the nhs. This is sadly unsurprising, but netherless very sad.

Gross systemic failings led to the death of a child. Instead of having an open culture of learning from mistakes, this encourages the very opposite. Individuals have been scapegoated.

Events like this will cause the nhs staffing crisis to become even worse. Talented young doctors and nurses (including those trained in the uk) are increasingly choosing to work elsewhere due to better working conditions and pay. The recently imposed junior doctor contract has had a disastrous impact in particular.

I despair. I love the nhs, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to work for it.

Frequency · 25/01/2018 16:56

That's disgusting. I can understand the parents wanting answers and people to pay if mistakes were made but surely even they can see the wrong person is paying.

VivaLeBeaver · 25/01/2018 16:56

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ViceAdmiralAmilynHoldo · 25/01/2018 16:56

Awful.
Doctors with non-british names do seem to get blamed far more easily.

Bluelady · 25/01/2018 16:58

This is absolutely shocking. How could the GMC possibly do something so bizarre? Will random letters from non medics make any difference? If so, I'll gladly write one.

Fortybingowings · 25/01/2018 17:00

Yes they will make a difference.

Laniakea · 25/01/2018 17:00

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Coconutspongexo · 25/01/2018 17:00

It’s completely heartbreaking for this little boys family and my heart completely goes out to this poor Dr.

I’m supposed to be returning to my final year of med school in September (had to take time out) and I’m not entirely sure I want to finish the degree now, I’m reading more and more about jnr drs being pulled up over their portfolios and silly things that are out of their hand, it’s truly terrifying the state of the NHS for patients and staff.

Snowysky20009 · 25/01/2018 17:00

Bloody hell. This is a shocking read. I feel for the parents of the young boy, I wouldn't wish that in my enemy.
However, my heart goes out to the Doctor and nurse, totally made scapegoats. How could anyone work effectively in a situation like that? It's a recipe for disaster. The ones that should be responsibly are the board for allowing practice like this. As happens every time, things will only chance once there has been a catastrophe.

Efferlunt · 25/01/2018 17:01

Just awful for everyone concerned. How can she be expected to perform in those conditions?

Fortybingowings · 25/01/2018 17:01

GMC need to know that this appalling decision is not backed by intelligent public opinion.

Emmageddon · 25/01/2018 17:03

Gosh, that made my blood run cold, reading that. Both the doctor and the nurse were scapegoats. How can this happen? It's massively unfair.

Whatthefoxgoingon · 25/01/2018 17:05

Ill be writing to the gmc, would urge you all to do the same. Unless we speak out openly about systematic failures in the NHS, they will continue to scapegoat doctors and nurses and the same mistakes will happen again and again. Health professionals will seek to cover up instead of admit their mistakes, this is a disaster waiting to happen!

Mxyzptlk · 25/01/2018 17:09

A disaster has already happened and nothing is changing.