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To think Dd is perfectly normal and that ex is talking rubbish?

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WafflesWafflesWaffles · 20/01/2018 09:28

Sorry this is a long one!

My ex has really pissed me off. He sees Dd once a fortnight and has absolutely no input into her day to day life. He has asked me if I think there is something wrong with Dd and if she is behind at preschool compared to the other children. His girlfriend has a nephew who is a few months older and is apparently so much more advanced than Dd and the two of them have been concerned Dd isn't performing as well as she should be. The nephew can apparently count to 100 and recognise any number you ask him. He can read and write and had been signed up for Manchester United already! He's a super child apparently and they feel embarrassed (actually his words) when they compare Dd to him.

This was all said in front of Dd (who was hiding under the table as she doesn't like going to daddy's house) and I was absolutely fuming. If Dd hadn't have been there I would have tore him a new one for daring to make out Dd is inferior and there is something wrong with her. I said no she is perfectly fine and on track and some kids are just more advanced than others.

He said his mum (who works in childcare) has said she's above average and there is nothing to worry about but that he still feels like there is something wrong with her. His nan (who absolutely hates me and doesn't particularly like Dd because she's mine) has said she is behind as well.

He asked if I sat down and did letters and numbers with her and said he did it the other day and she wasn't very good at it. I said I think at this age play is far more important than forcing her to do school work and I want her to just be a kid and that we can concentrate in all that stuff when she starts school in September.

We read together, we do crafts, we do actually do letters and numbers and I have a few preschool work books that I sometimes get out but I prefer her to play and be creative.

Her talking is really good but she gets a few words muddled up sometimes and mispronounces some words but can say them properly when I correct her.

She can recite the alphabet but can't recognise all the letters if I point to them and ask which ones they are. She can write and spell her name and a few other memorised words and can recognise them if they are written down.

She can add 1 and 2 to a number up to 10 and give me the correct answer. She can count to 30 but loses interest after that. She can recognise numbers eg house numbers but will say mummy thats a 5 and a 6 rather than that's 56.

She knows colours and how to mix colours and what the outcome is.

She constantly asks questions and I answer her as detailed as I can. Like she knows where her organs are in her body. She knows vaguely what each of them do.

Her manners and impeccable and her social skills are really great (she can be a bit shy).

She's a lot more creative than she is book smart. If I asked her to draw a house she does every detail e.g. she will even draw the curtains in the windows and flowers in the garden. If she draws a person she even draws the iris and pupil of the eye, fingers on each hand etc. She can colour and stay in the lines and will spend hours colouring and drawing. She makes up songs and stories and has a wild imagination.

I have not had any worries about her development but now he's made me feel like I'm a crap mum and should be forcing her to do school work every night so she can live up to his standards. I'm now questioning if she is behind and comparing her to other children which I never did before!

In his eyes women are never good enough and never up to his standards. He gaslighted and emotionally abused me for years and made me feel so inadequate (I am still single now 4 years on because I don't feel good enough for anyone thanks to him) I never thought he would do it with Dd and I'm now really worried he is going to make her feel inferior and like she isn't good enough.

OP posts:
Trinity66 · 20/01/2018 10:10

what an arsehole, I'd be fuming that he said all that in front of your DD aswell, stuff like that is what will make her go backwards and make her un confident

alotalotalot · 20/01/2018 10:11

Yes and also rehearse some words to say to him when he says negative things about her in front of him. She needs to hear that you think he's talking rubbish. Maybe pretend you are quoting her teacher so that her sense of self worth comes from you and other "experts" so she learns to dismiss everything he says/do's as rubbish.

CoraPirbright · 20/01/2018 10:11

I have never read anything so ridiculous in my life! Doing mini-football sessions at the local ground on a Saturday morning is not “being signed by Manchester Utd”!! Highly doubt that any club is ‘signing’ 4 year olds. What a total tosser!! I would be having serious thoughts about how damaging contact with the father is. If he is so bloody embarrassed by his (delightful sounding and quite advanced actually) daughter then perhaps he shouldn’t see her, especially as you say she doesn’t like going. Will he listen to his mother? What is your relationship with her like? Can you ask her to intervene and set him straight?

boylovesmeerkats · 20/01/2018 10:14

Her only problem seems to be her dad! It doesn't even matter what she can or can't do academically (and it sounds like she can do plenty) her being emotionally happy, willing to learn and socialise is far more important. Don't listen to him for a second! He shouldn't be saying those things in front of her, especially comparing her to some other kid (and so and so's nephew might be a genuis, but these things are often lost in translation..his girlfriend wont have a clue what he's really like) He should be focussing on her as a person, her own personality, interests and all the rest. Who cares what other children do?

I'd be tempted to say that if he feels she's behind he's her parent too so he's welcome to go and chat to her pre-school! Stay out of it and don't let him mess with your head.

Well done for getting away.

GreenTulips · 20/01/2018 10:15

Dd isn't performing

She's not a clown!

Next time he starts this say 'I suggest you contact the nursery/pre school/ school with your concerns and not speak about DD in ear shot

That's it

saddestcatintheworld · 20/01/2018 10:15

what bastardkitty says! Ignore him, she sounds perfect the way she is. Good luck to his new girlfriend dating such an idiot.

TatianaLarina · 20/01/2018 10:15

He emotionally abused you and this is a clear sign he will emotionally abuse your dd too given the chance. He sounds like he has a problem with women generally.

I don’t know why women think (es) abusive partners won’t abuse the children too, they often do. Keep a very close eye on him.

TatianaLarina · 20/01/2018 10:16

ex not es

TatianaLarina · 20/01/2018 10:17

He gaslighted and emotionally abused me for years and made me feel so inadequate (I am still single now 4 years on because I don't feel good enough for anyone thanks to him) I never thought he would do it with Dd and I'm now really worried he is going to make her feel inferior and like she isn't good enough.

This is exactly what he will do.

CecilyP · 20/01/2018 10:18

She's a lot more creative than she is book smart. If I asked her to draw a house she does every detail e.g. she will even draw the curtains in the windows and flowers in the garden. If she draws a person she even draws the iris and pupil of the eye, fingers on each hand etc. She can colour and stay in the lines and will spend hours colouring and drawing. She makes up songs and stories and has a wild imagination.

That sounds really advanced for a child of 4. She sounds like she will be a absolute joy for the teacher in her reception class. There is really no point in sitting down and teaching exactly what the school will be teaching next year - why would you? DD's sounds like she will be absolutely ready to take it all on board and progress very quickly.

Your ex OTOH sounds absolutely horrid! Very little emotional intelligence for a man his age. It is possible that his only experience of 4 year olds is just these 2; but if that is the case, it hardly makes him the expert he seems to think he is.

The DN nephew does sound pretty advanced, but I would be inclined to take what your ex says with a large pinch of salt. While it is not unusual for a 4 year old boy to be able to read, I would be extremely sceptical about his ability to write!

Your ex is doing this to get to you. Don't let him! If he asks if she is behind, say, 'no actually she is quite advanced'. If he asks if you sit down and do letters and numbers, just say loftily, ' of course not, she will just have to do it all again at school next year! If he boasts about the DN's achievements, just say ' that's nice' but don't be drawn. And be grateful he's your ex!

redexpat · 20/01/2018 10:19

If you have any converns you need to discuss them with nursery. I will not discuss DD within her earshot. Shut door.

CPtart · 20/01/2018 10:21

She sounds fine. If he can do better then let him fulfill his parental responsibility properly and have her 3.5 days a week. No, I bet he's not that bothered is he!?

Blackteadrinker77 · 20/01/2018 10:24

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/22-things-your-child-should-354782

I found the link

marymoosmum · 20/01/2018 10:28

It's rubbish OP. My daughters carers at nursery/playgroup always tell me how advanced my DD is and she can't do some of the things your daughter does. I really wouldn't worry and next time he says anything I would make a passing comment about the pressure they must be putting on the poor boy or even well if she isn't up to your standard you won't want anything to do with her then will you? And see what he says.
Also don't keep comparing her. Your DD sounds perfect and you need to keep telling her that, build her confidence so it is too strobg for him to destroy it.

mummmy2017 · 20/01/2018 10:28

Why not print out a list of what a child is expected to do at that age and show him how your child can do all these things.

When he next mentions it, put your head on one side smile slightly, and say to him , she has half your DNA, it could be the DNA of the parent that is not related to your GF that is making the DN so gifted, so are you worried your going to have more children who are not quiet at Genius level by the age of 4.

Also remind him he is comparing a girl and a boy, not the same at all.

OnTheRise · 20/01/2018 10:28

Your daughter sounds lovely, Waffles. Clever and funny and kind and creative. How lucky you are to have such a wonderful girl!

However, your ex's behaviour is dangerous and damaging.

Your daughter hates visiting him and hides under the table when he's there; and he thinks nothing of talking about how he thinks she's thick as two short ones when she can hear everything he's saying.

That's really bad. Because if he says those things to you, he's definitely saying worse to his girlfriend when you're not there. He's probably pushing her in all sorts of wrong ways to be more academic while she's with him.

What can you do to protect her from him? He's doing real damage to her self esteem and isn't going to help her academic development at all: she's four, for goodness sake. At this age she will learn best through play and exploring, not through sitting down and doing her letters and being told she should be more like some nephew who is older than her and different to her and oh look, he's a boy and your ex really wanted a boy and a girl will never be good enough.

Is there any way he would agree to not seeing her for a while? Because I think she'd be better off without him right now.

Pumperthepumper · 20/01/2018 10:29

I’m so angry on your behalf OP, so damaging to tell a young child they’re not very bright. And it’s bollocks, my four year old is brilliant at numbers and letters but absolutely no way could draw like your DD or remember details like that. They’re good at different things, that’s all.

AuntLydia · 20/01/2018 10:30

I don't think you should dignify his bollocks with a response about your dd's development. Clearly this isn't about that. He's using it as an excuse to try and put you and his own dd in your place. I agree with those who say make a note of this. You need to protect her from the emotional abuse that looks likely to come her way over the years.

Pumperthepumper · 20/01/2018 10:32

I’m also angry that he’s quizzing YOU and dictating to you how much you should do with her when he sees her once a fortnight. Fuck that.

Longdistance · 20/01/2018 10:35

There’s nothing wrong with your dd, however there’s something wrong with him 🤔 gosh he’s a twat, she’s 4, leave her to be a child. She’ll get taught letters and phonics at school.

I’m also angry he dare ask what you do with her during the week. CF!

WhooooAmI24601 · 20/01/2018 10:43

Parents who use shame and judgement in this way do so much damage to their children. Your Ex is going to degrade and compare her and has already begun finding fault. For me that would be worth challenging his right to spend unsupervised time with her.

All parents will clash and do things differently. All parents will oppose one another at times. But you have a duty of care to protect your child at every moment possible. How you respond to and challenge his behaviour now could define the self-esteem and self-worth your (incredible-sounding) DD grows up to feel. Stand your ground here and give him a bloody good fight.

Saffydaffy80 · 20/01/2018 10:45

He sounds like a narcissist who could damage your dd's self esteem, I agree keep a paper trail, him thinking and saying all of this about his own daughter is bad enough but saying it when she's in the same room?! Not sure but wouldn't that count as emotional abuse? If your dd has to have contact with him, can you spell out to him that these rants, or any negative comments and comparisons to other children said while dd is around has to stop now. If he won't stop then I agree with others start a paper trail with info and dates, I could be wrong and it might not be what they formally count as emotional abuse but in any case it's going to be very damaging to poor dd if it carries on. She's thankfully got you as a brilliant mum, but speaking as someone with a narcissistic parent please try and stop her sorry excuse for a dad speaking like this around her, it's will completely wreck her confidence and self esteem growing up, and I know myself it lasts a lifetime.

I'd recommend reading up on narcissists and how to deal with them, he probably belittled you and sounds like he puts the blame for anything on you, hence why he's your ex? Now to find a way to stop him doing the same to your daughter, unfortunately if he is a narcissist he might never stop his behaviour but you can hopefully find ways to protect yourself and your little girl from it.

For what it's worth I also work in an infant school and your dd is doing way more "academically" than most kids who start in our Reception, but nobody expects them to do all that. Writing their name to identify work is useful, basic knowledge of counting and recognising 1-10 numbers but as far as writing, phonics and reading goes each school has their own system of teaching these things and they start from scratch. They spend a lot of time initially at our school focusing on pencil grip first, then move on to letters and words through phonics and that's also linked to how they teach reading. If you really want to work on these things before she starts school I'd suggest contacting the school she'll be starting and ask which phonics programme they use and the methods they use to teach writing. To be honest though when we have parents come to us asking what they can work on with their child at home before they start school in September, we say the basic self care things, like using the toilet independently, using cutlery if they have school dinner, putting on coats, shoes etc as we teach them the work side of school from scratch once they start. There is also such a huge emotional aspect involved in starting school and some of our children really struggle at first, so the focus is helping them settle in, make friendships and get used to the routine / long tiring day for such little ones. Good luck with tackling the ex and don't let him make you think there's something wrong with dd or you're not doing enough, he's projecting his own issues on to you and sounds like a classic narc to me xx

BagelGoesWalking · 20/01/2018 10:45

I can't really add anything to what's already been said but she sounds an absolute joy and you sound fantastic!

He's trying to put her down just as he did with you. I would possibly investigate ways of legally restricting access as he's having a negative physiological impact on her wellbeing.

THIS 'I've compared you to the dads of some other 4 year old girls and you seem to be absolutely fucking shite."

Fraying · 20/01/2018 10:50

The thing is DCs aren't consistent. If your DD is unhappy when she is with him and feels he is constantly assessing her then she won't 'perform'. When my DS was 4 he could write, etc, at home but just scribbled for his key worker in nursery. He wasn't comfortable with her hot-housing, 'I'm testing you' attitude so just refused to engage.

I agree with the PPs about seeking advice and keeping a written trail somewhere. I'd also shut him down every time he tries to have that conversation with 'You don't bring out the best in DD. Perhaps you need to work on that.' Put it firmly back onto him and his inadequacies.

IrkThePurist · 20/01/2018 10:50

Abusive men abuse women through their children and pets.

He is abusive and he won't stop until he has a change of heart and some serious long term therapy.
He is damaging your DD right now, its not normal for kids to hide from their parent.

WafflesWafflesWaffles Have you taken the Women's Aid Freedom Programme? Do that and speak to them about getting some help for you and your DD.