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To think Dd is perfectly normal and that ex is talking rubbish?

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WafflesWafflesWaffles · 20/01/2018 09:28

Sorry this is a long one!

My ex has really pissed me off. He sees Dd once a fortnight and has absolutely no input into her day to day life. He has asked me if I think there is something wrong with Dd and if she is behind at preschool compared to the other children. His girlfriend has a nephew who is a few months older and is apparently so much more advanced than Dd and the two of them have been concerned Dd isn't performing as well as she should be. The nephew can apparently count to 100 and recognise any number you ask him. He can read and write and had been signed up for Manchester United already! He's a super child apparently and they feel embarrassed (actually his words) when they compare Dd to him.

This was all said in front of Dd (who was hiding under the table as she doesn't like going to daddy's house) and I was absolutely fuming. If Dd hadn't have been there I would have tore him a new one for daring to make out Dd is inferior and there is something wrong with her. I said no she is perfectly fine and on track and some kids are just more advanced than others.

He said his mum (who works in childcare) has said she's above average and there is nothing to worry about but that he still feels like there is something wrong with her. His nan (who absolutely hates me and doesn't particularly like Dd because she's mine) has said she is behind as well.

He asked if I sat down and did letters and numbers with her and said he did it the other day and she wasn't very good at it. I said I think at this age play is far more important than forcing her to do school work and I want her to just be a kid and that we can concentrate in all that stuff when she starts school in September.

We read together, we do crafts, we do actually do letters and numbers and I have a few preschool work books that I sometimes get out but I prefer her to play and be creative.

Her talking is really good but she gets a few words muddled up sometimes and mispronounces some words but can say them properly when I correct her.

She can recite the alphabet but can't recognise all the letters if I point to them and ask which ones they are. She can write and spell her name and a few other memorised words and can recognise them if they are written down.

She can add 1 and 2 to a number up to 10 and give me the correct answer. She can count to 30 but loses interest after that. She can recognise numbers eg house numbers but will say mummy thats a 5 and a 6 rather than that's 56.

She knows colours and how to mix colours and what the outcome is.

She constantly asks questions and I answer her as detailed as I can. Like she knows where her organs are in her body. She knows vaguely what each of them do.

Her manners and impeccable and her social skills are really great (she can be a bit shy).

She's a lot more creative than she is book smart. If I asked her to draw a house she does every detail e.g. she will even draw the curtains in the windows and flowers in the garden. If she draws a person she even draws the iris and pupil of the eye, fingers on each hand etc. She can colour and stay in the lines and will spend hours colouring and drawing. She makes up songs and stories and has a wild imagination.

I have not had any worries about her development but now he's made me feel like I'm a crap mum and should be forcing her to do school work every night so she can live up to his standards. I'm now questioning if she is behind and comparing her to other children which I never did before!

In his eyes women are never good enough and never up to his standards. He gaslighted and emotionally abused me for years and made me feel so inadequate (I am still single now 4 years on because I don't feel good enough for anyone thanks to him) I never thought he would do it with Dd and I'm now really worried he is going to make her feel inferior and like she isn't good enough.

OP posts:
AllMyBestFriendsAreMetalheads · 20/01/2018 09:44

I have a niece who is about 4 months younger than my eldest DC. When they were under 3/4, MIL used to say how far DN was behind my DC and how maybe there was something wrong with them etc. as my DC was doing the counting, and was writing their (short and easy to write!) name. We ignored it.

Now they are a few years older, and there are areas where my DC is still 'ahead' and other areas where DN is 'ahead' (quote marks because it's pretty much bollocks). And it's actually my DC who is undergoing assessments and not DN. They've evened out over the years and have similarities and differences just like any two children. And funnily enough, the comments have stopped.

I have a younger DC as well, and they aren't doing the reading and writing that the older one could at that age, but on the flip side there are things that they are better at than the older one was.

In short, every child is different, and being able to do things at such and such an age doesn't really mean anything long term as so many things can change in just a few years.

Your DD sounds great, and she's perfect just as she is.

Bananamanfan · 20/01/2018 09:44

I have a 4 year old DC3 and actually I don't really know if he can do any of the above, i don't really care. I know he is very bright and funny and sociable. Your ex is a dick and to talk like that in front of DD is an example of terrible parenting.
I'm sure Ex & his GF are having many 'concerned' conversations about how your DD doesn't stand a chance with you as her mother and how much better off she'd be if the oracle of child development (GF) was her mother, while only seeing her once a fortnight and putting her down during that visit.
Have a serious conversation with your ex & make it clear that it is unacceptable to talk about DD in that way, particularly in front of her.

BashStreetKid · 20/01/2018 09:44

Try a head tilt and sympathy with them about how worrying it is when 4 year old boys get obsessed with numbers. Yes, it's bollocks, but so is what they're saying.

Almostthere15 · 20/01/2018 09:46

Well for what it's worth that isn't 'behind' anyway. Many children start reception without numbers past 10 and can only reliably recognise a few words and write them. It's more important that she can out on a coat, wipe her bottom and put on shoes.

All the things she does sound amazing and fun and exactly what a child learns from.

It's horrid that he did that while she was there, and it does sound like it affected her. It's not ok, even if a child is 'behind', to behave in that way. It's counterproductive anyway because it damages their confidence which is important to learning. So if you can talk to him about it you should. Or at least talk to her saying that she's special and amazing and you're super proud of her and all she does. Repeat it often!

WhereIsBlueRabbit · 20/01/2018 09:46

I don't know a huge amount about four year olds but she sounds as though she is doing incredibly well! And you sound lovely - play is so important. Don't listen to him - keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure somebody more experienced than me will be along to offer advice.

Witchend · 20/01/2018 09:48

The thing is if the nephew is doing more then it is normal for him to worry. You do compare, and if to him he knows only the two children of that age, he won't know of one's advanced or one's behind.
The issue is really how he approached it.

And football clubs don't sign children at 4yo, what he probably means is loving family has signed him for a football course run by them. So you can probably take what he's doing with a pinch or two of salt.

trojanpony · 20/01/2018 09:52

I would put in writing that as he has stated in front of your DD that he finds her inadequate and is embarrassed by her,

This.

Also that she is hiding under the table

Create a paper trail...

Marmalady75 · 20/01/2018 09:54

Some of the 6 year olds I teach are not as able with numbers or language as your daughter. As PP have said, your ex is an arse and you either need to ignore him or put him straight in no uncertain terms.

WafflesWafflesWaffles · 20/01/2018 09:55

He is obsessed with football and wanted a boy so he could force them to be obsessed with it too. He was disappointed we were having a girl. Maybe he's projecting his feelings onto her because he's jealous that he doesn't have a super duper football pro and just an inferior girl who likes ballet and drawing and can't count to 100.

I feel so sorry for her having him as a dad. He's a Disney dad and thinks throwing money at her makes him a good dad.

She hates going to his house but he won't admit it's because of him. He tries to blame me for his crap parenting and the way Dd is around him.

She can't be that thick because she knows an arsehole when she sees one! She's a good judge of character if nothing else.

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KC225 · 20/01/2018 09:55

I have twins, one minute apart. At that age one was above average and one was below (according to school development). Now they are older, it has evened out.

Your daughter sounds delightful and totally normal. I am going to suggest that she is hiding under the table because SHE is embarrassed that her dad is such arse.

Lizzie48 · 20/01/2018 09:57

Comparisons are ridiculous imo. My DNiece (now 8 like my DD1) is so bright, she reads books for teenagers. My DD1 is doing fine, but she's not nearly at that level; but considering that she has glasses and hearing aids and suffers from Attachment Disorder as a result of being adopted she's doing absolutely fine at school. I get tired of seeing status updates from my DSis about how brilliant her DD is though, but at least no one suggests that there's any problem with DD1 because she's not so advanced.

Your ex is being horrible, though, your poor DD. He probably doesn't see what she can do because she hides from him. You're doing a really good job with her considering what you've been through. She's very advanced for her age actually.

Don't let him bring you down again, that's what he wants.

Schlimbesserung · 20/01/2018 09:57

I've had four 4 year olds and none of them has been as advanced as your daughter. One of them does have SEN, but I would cut out my own tongue before I ever said that I was embarrassed by him. That's a vile thing to say.
The girlfriend sounds like she's stirring, perhaps to make you seem like an inadequate mother, but your ex is clearly an arse.

giveitfive · 20/01/2018 09:58

He's embarrassed comparing her? What a twat. It's not a competition and even if she was a little behind (which it totally sounds like she ISN'T).... so What!

I think you need to ask him if he is below standard at being a dad....

bastardkitty · 20/01/2018 10:01

Yes giveitfive ! 'I've compared you to the dads of some other 4 year old girls and you seem to be absolutely fucking shite.'

Queenofthedrivensnow · 20/01/2018 10:01

Christ op I read as far as 'embarrassed' and drew my conclusion that your ex is a twunt.

I'm horrified he would say that in front of her and I would consider withholding contact on that basis.

She sounds perfectly neurotypical but that's not even the point. Don't humour him. If I were you I would be limiting contact with him to information about contact only - pick up and drop off and that's all. I have to do this with my ex.

In the meantime I would be doing lots of reassurance 'mummy won the lottery when you were born' 'mummy is so lucky to have you because you're so wonderful'
I say to my dds 'mummy dreamed you into life'

FlippingFoal · 20/01/2018 10:01

The other child can recite like a parrot, your daughter shows comprehension. Id say your daughter is further ahead developmentally.

Dollius01 · 20/01/2018 10:02

His girlfriend has a three year old who has been signed up to Manchester United?? What a load of crap

insancerre · 20/01/2018 10:02

She could be a s clever as Einstein but it will be pointless if her self esteem is so damaged that she is unable to achieve her full potential
He needs to have a good look at his own behaviour before he criticises yours
I work in early years and she sounds fine to me

JockTamsonsBairns · 20/01/2018 10:02

Your DD sounds like she's doing brilliantly, and I love the fact she's already recognised him as a dick.

As an aside, I'm not at all confident that my 19yo could locate all the organs in the body, and describe their function!

AFistfulOfDolores · 20/01/2018 10:03

Carl Jung wrote: "Nothing has a stronger influence psychologically on their environment and especially on their children than the unlived life of the parent."

You're right: your ex is projecting his own insecurities and unfulfilled wishes on to your DD, which is absolutely fucking heinous. I'm both sorry you're having to absorb that with your DD, and also relieved that she has someone fighting her corner.

Inthedeepdarkwinter · 20/01/2018 10:03

The thing is- so what if your dd was 'behind'? She's still a valuable and gorgeous girl, that's what parental love is, to love them whatever, not just if they are advanced!

Everyone is right: he's a twunt. Poor you and poor her having to listen to this, next time cut him off and say 'that's not appropriate to discuss in front of our dd'.

usualGubbins · 20/01/2018 10:04

Is he aware of how many kids signed for football academies get dropped? He’s in for some big old disappointments!!

alotalotalot · 20/01/2018 10:06

I'd also try to get his mum, who sounds more sensible, to point out the damage he's doing to his dd. He might take more notice if it comes from her as well as you. Hopefully she'll be horrified when she hears what he said in front of your dd.

Bananamanfan · 20/01/2018 10:07

I love the "I've compared you to some of the other dads of 4 year olds..." line. Genius!Grin

Blackteadrinker77 · 20/01/2018 10:09

I can't believe that he told you in front of his 4 year old he is embarrassed by her :(

There was a list a while back by Dr Miriam Stoppard of what your child should be able to do by starting school age. Other than reciting the alphabet and writing their name I'm sure the rest were playing things and the ability to dress and feed them selves.
I'll see if I can find it.

The only thing that worried me from your post is the fact she hides under a table.