If you're an unemployed waster then you should have a vasectomy!!!

[sirlee66]

Ben Bradley, an MP, wrote in a blogpost, 6 years ago, that the country would be soon “drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters” if workless families had four or five children while others limited themselves to one or two.
This is what he said:

''It’s horrendous that there are families out there that can make vastly more than the average wage, (or in some cases more than a bloody good wage) just because they have 10 kids. Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can’t afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free.

There are hundreds of families in the UK who earn over £60,000 in benefits without lifting a finger because they have so many kids (and for the rest of us that’s a wage of over £90,000 before tax!).

People have to take responsibility for their own lives, and if they are struggling but working hard to help themselves then they should get help. But if they choose to have 10 kids they should take responsibility for that choice and look after them, not expect everyone else to foot the bill!

Families who have never worked a day in their lives having 4 or 5 kids and the rest of us having 1 or 2 means it’s not long before we’re drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!''

So What to do you think? Do you agree with Ben Bradley or do you think he is being unreasonable?

Although during the first two years of my DDs life my DH didn't have a job, he worked hard to look for one after doing things like "work fare" and other crap things to get benefits. For 8 weeks he got up at 5am to work with the bin men in our local town centre as the job centre promised him a job knowing full well that 200 job losses were on the cards. According to Ben Bradley my husband was still a waster.
Now fully employed with two kids, we actually had to argue to get his vasectomy as he's "young and might change his mind in future".

Imo the answer would be paying a living wage which surely would lift a huge amount of people off tc/uc.

Surely this would free up so much time and money in terms of the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get them.

A family member was prosecuted for benefit fraud. Shed got away with £300000 but only had to do 400 hours community service yes I've done the maths

He has said in interviews that he had to 'pick a political philosophy', and conservatism looked the most effective. Something along those lines, anyway. I would say he is a reformer from within.

We all have to vote on a mixed bag of issues, and look for a best fit with a party.
He's not from a political family, he's an ordinary bloke. The kind we say we want in politics.

As someone who has had professional dealings with him in his capacity as a local councillor he was an idiot 6 years ago and is still an idiot.

Always be suspicious of people who have only ever worked in the political sphere. Keen to share their opinions with others whilst having very little real world experience

Pickle what a lot of tosh. Should you feel the need to 'pick a political philosophy' you are looking to be a career politician.
I'm actually starting to wonder if you work for him, your defence of the indefensible is interesting.

Gosh no, and I'm not aligned politically with him either. I don't think that opinions different from mine are indefensible, though.
I find him a bit dogmatic, a bit blokey. I am instinctively mistrustful of politicians, because they seem to have to compromise their principles to get anything done. As politicians go, he's pretty decent.

pickle, I apologise.
I don't think opinions that differ from mine are generally indefensible. I do think a eugenics stance from anyone is. I also think that the relentless Tory attack on the welfare state is indefensible, but then I'm disabled and have lost over £300 per month in the cull.
With regard to this 'gentleman', if you are to be involved in politics, you keep your mouth shut about such views. Young is not an excuse. We would not and should not accept that; we wouldn't accept it from someone who for example had stolen from a supermarket, raped someone, or murdered someone in a fight.

Child benefit has been capped, so probably quite a few of those families have been split up and are in care instead.

What a load of crap. Child benefit has only been capped for people earning high wages. If you mean child tax credits they weren't capped retrospectively and only children born after last April would not receive benefits for the 3rd child or more.

Lefties always bloody lie.

Lefties always bloody lie.
the leftie Independent

them again

leftie liars

For heaven's sake Elton stop with the knee jerk reaction and read.

Lefties always bloody lie

You spelled Tories wrong

You spelled Tories wrong

LyraPotter Wed 17-Jan-18 17:21:02 nailed it.

People tend to talk with the language used around them, until they learn better. So experience of wider things tends to moderate people, perhaps rather than age.

The problem I have is that many of my nearest and dearest, who are decent, good, community minded people, vote blue. I can't afford the luxury of writing people who vote Tory off as selfish and unfeeling. They just want to tackle the economy from a different perspective. No use to you, of course.

Gilead
With regard to this 'gentleman', if you are to be involved in politics, you keep your mouth shut about such views.

With reference to his statement in the OP's post, could you cite precisely which parts you disagree with and why you disagree with them?

They just want to tackle the economy from a different perspective

All pisstaking aside, genuine question. How is cutting public services to the point of desperation, not creating jobs, job security and a living wage tackling the economy?
I would have a lot more respect for them if they had done more than just cut benefits, eroded the rights of disabled people to anything approaching a decent standard of living and make empty promises.

If they’d made these cuts while ensuring options of work, decent housing, alternatives to benefits and left disability benefits out of the cuts I would actually consider agreeing with them.

As it stands in my opinion they’ve make a lot of soundbite cuts which sound good to people and the economy isn’t really any better than it was 10 years ago. The NHS, Armed Forces, education and emergency services are certainly considerably worse off. And Brexit is a disaster of epic proportions.

I’m genuinely interested as to how someone can agree with them. Again, no pisstaking, I’d like to understand.

Made not make.

Not sure about the whole vasectomy thing... lol seems a bit crazy.
But I do think that couples who cannot afford another child should perhaps think twice about ttc.
Choosing to have children and claim benefits to keep you with no intentions to work, even though capable is an extremely selfish choice.
Sadly, some people do see a life on benefits as some kind of a career choice.

With reference to his statement in the OP's post, could you cite precisely which parts you disagree with and why you disagree with them?
I have.

pickle, My grandmother was Tory mayor of a large London Borough. My brother has been a Tory all his life (late fifties now) but does not recognise this group.

Sadly, some people do see a life on benefits as some kind of a career choice.
Only it isn't now, is it. You have to jump through a great many hoops.

It's kind of stating the obvious that you should only have children if you can afford them! There are plenty of things in life I want but can't afford so I don't. I don't have children by the way - through choice. As for whoever said I was much better off when I was working That should obviously always be the case.

He sounds like a dick

I was much better off when I was working That should obviously always be the case.
Unless you have a disability that means you are unable to work. Although the Tories have tried to ensure that doesn't happen whilst not ensuring that access to work for those with disabilities remains in place...

Gilead

Two of those articles are from 2013. The ones from 2013 refer to the housing benefit cap and are making apocalyptic claims about it when we now know in hindsight it didn't cause too many problems, so they're irrelevant. The other one includes no hard data, just an opinion survey. And it's been slanted by the Independent to give the view they want, because the other way of looking at it is that the majority of social workers (55%), don't believe new benefit rules have caused an uptake in work for Child Services.

The OP said that 'child benefit' had been capped leading to children going into care. None of those articles refers to Child Benefit or Child Tax Credit. Child benefit is capped for those earning over £50k. Child tax credits were capped only for children born after April last year. So no children will be going into care because their 'child benefits' have been cut.

What she said was demonstrably bollocks.