to wonder why the "fake look" is so popular?

[Namila]

Obviously light-hearted and I fully appreciate that people have different tastes and like different things. Apologies if you feel offended by this post.

However.

Every time I turn the TV on, it seems like the prevailing beauty standard is what I heard to be called "the fake look": fake tan, fake lashes, fake eyebrows, fake hair, fake nails and often times some fake features due to plastic surgery. It seems like these beauty interventions are meant to look obviously fake and very easy to spot.

Many of these women truly look fake as they resemble plastic dolls, but usually not in a flattering way!

I wonder why the current ruling beauty ideal implies so much "fakeness". Of course women have always spent time and money trying to improve their appearance to a certain degree, but I feel like this is a whole new level

What do you think the popularity of this "fake look" tells about our society? Do you reckon the trend will go away?

Ivymaud , I help run one of the biggest UK beauty groups on the web, and I can assure you that the look being discussed here is very popular among young women of all demographics.

BoF

I can only surmise that some people have become bored of fighting with their own shadow and decided to ask dimwitted questions on Mumsnet instead.

I long for the soothing tones of S'Tom.

I need to calm down? Hilarious coming from aggro little Ivy.

So what have I said that's made you get in such a tizz? Do you think botox is the preserve of the middle classes? Or the preserve of the working classes?

Because you haven't contributed whole lot aside from your bad tempered attitude

Chop chop if you please.

And still you're not explaining what your issue is.

So odd.

So many strange types on Mumsnet these days. Determined to provoke a fight over nothing at all but when challenged they try and slink away. Peculiar.

Ivy dear, you're the one who started it all with your rather bad tempered 'Explain..' and then refused to participate in any kind of conversation a about the actual topic in question.

You are a contrary child who's up past her bedtime.

Amanduh - I agree about Tamsin. There have been some unkind comments about her appearance, but I do think she's had some of the old botox and fillers.

Of course she has, in common with a huge, huge number of women over 40, famous and not famous. So what? It's no different to dyeing grey hair these days.

She does look rather different beyond just botox and fillers though, so I suspect there may have been a facelift or something else surgery-wise that has fundamentally altered the shape of her face, but again, so what?

Whatever she's had, it's been done well and subtly. We notice the difference and find it slightly disconcerting because we are very familiar with her 'old' face, but if we didn't know her we wouldn't automatically nudge one another and say 'Eyes left, a facelift and some bad fillers just walked in the room.' Whereas with some people you definitely notice the 'work' before you notice the rest of the face. That's when it's been done badly or gone too far imho.

She doesn't look like a freak with a 'pulled' face and that weird melted sort of texture to it. She doesn't look ridiculously pumped up and pillow like, she doesn't have Joker lips or Jack Nicholson eyebrows. She looks nice.

@ivymaud you’re being daft. The pp meant she observes by looking with her eyes at people she physically meets. That seems like the obvious explanation anyway?

If a comment doesn’t interest you or you’re not able to understand it enough on your own, don’t respond without sarcastically demanding evidence or further explanation - just leave it.

The classic and pathetic mumsnet retort of calling someone angry when you’ve deliberately been provocative is pathetic and what makes this website a joke at times. Quit it @ivymaud.

That was meant to read: don’t respond BY sarcastically. I’m assuming you’re an adult? If yes, you’re acting like an obnoxious child.

Poor angry Ivy. Demanding answers in her own rude way and then not even engaging .

Has someone upset you tonight, Ivy dear?

Poor sad Ivy.

Ivy, you tried to be combative with your questions and then when I explained that botox and fillers seemed equally popular among the working class and middle class women of my acquaintance that somehow wasn't good enough for you. That was seemingly too woolly. Should I have perhaps have carried out qualitative research in anticipation of such a thread?

I apologise for having presumed that you wanted to engage in a conversation on the actual topic in hand. But if you feel the need to be aggressive on innocuous threads that's completely your call,

I hope you find yourself in a better headspace in the near future

I've no concern at all about the fake tan, make up, extra. To each generation their own, and frankly some of these young ladies (and men) amaze me with their abilities to apply make up, and style their hair. While it's a different trend, it does remind me of when I was in my teens & 20's in the 90's and coloring my hair purple and pink, buzz cutting it and getting tattoo's. Also, the younger women I work with have taught me the beauty of a bit of eyeshadow and some bright lip stick. It's fun.

The only thing that worries me is the plastic surgery and botox. Same as it worried me when friends in the 90's didn't stop at a few tattoos or a decided to stretch their ears. It's entirely up to them, but you might regret it in 20 years.

I'm sorry you're getting yourself so overwrought Ivy, but surely even in your state you can see that you provoked this? You demand answers of people without adding anything of interest to the conversation. I'm still no wiser as to what your thoughts are on the actual issue in question.

But don;t let that bother you tonight. You sound like you need a good night's sleep. Possibly a few nights' sleep?

Hopefully in future you can reflect on this and as a result curb your aggression.

From what I can see middle class women are just as likely to indulge in cosmetic interventions as working class women.

I would argue that (anecdotally of course) plastic surgeries and such are more prevalaint among the middle class than working class. Exces makeup and such also. So I really do not see this as a class thing at all.

I find myself watching tv and being surprised that someone looks a little wrinkled or "old" and then i realize that they actually just look their age - like the rest of us. We just have become accustomed to seeing people on tv looking "perfect "