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Am I being too secretive or should he trust me? Money.

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KateGrey · 13/01/2018 14:10

My dh and I have three kids. Two have autism. I’ve not worked in 6 years because of this. My youngest also only goes to school for two hours a day. My dh has a decent job. Previously all spare money including any DLA went into my dh’s savings account. I asked that it be split between both of our savings accounts but he never got round to it (very finance savvy but badly organised). So I diverted all DLA and my carers to my personal account and put into my savings account. I update our spreadsheet monthly. But my dh isn’t happy I don’t let him go through my accounts. I also have £2k my parents gave me. Our marriage isn’t on the rocks but I’m aware I’m financially vulnerable. If things did go wrong he’d still have a job whereas I’m financially dependent on him. Am I wrong not to let him go through my accounts? The money goes to the kids therapy. I don’t go out or spend on anything really. But I suppose I know if we did split he’d be quite difficult (when this comes up about my savings account he reminds me he put in the 13k deposit for our first house- he’d lived at home and I’d gone to uni. But my parents did pay two lots of legal fees amounting over house moves to about half). He’s not financially abusive but this seems to be an issue for him. I suppose it sounds like I’m being secretive but in my mind the money isn’t mine and financially I’m vulnerable. I don’t think we’ll split up but I know that marriages where there are children with disabilities can break up.

OP posts:
LannieDuck · 13/01/2018 17:32

"I know he’d complain if it didn’t go into his savings"

"He does deem all our money family money"

Why is it so important to him that it goes into his savings account if he deems it all to be family money?

tillytown · 13/01/2018 17:33

Sorry, my phone freaked out then

KateGrey · 13/01/2018 17:36

The kids birthday money goes straight into our accounts. Mine and his normally gets swept into his isa.

OP posts:
ijustwannadance · 13/01/2018 17:44

The kids birthday money should be put into savings accounts for themselves. Not used to top up his bloody isa.

Why can't you spend your bday money on yourself?

ChaChaChaCh4nges · 13/01/2018 17:54

Let me tell you a cautionary tale.

When I moved in with XH, before marriage and kids, we were renting. The letting agent needed a bank account, and so I gave them my details because I had them to hand so it was easier. And likewise I took over the utility bills because I had my account details to hand and it was easier.

So we moved in together, and I was spending a lot less because our new place was smaller than the place I’d been renting alone before and in a cheaper part of the country and by co-incidence I finished paying off a debt of thousands that my previous boyfriend left me with. I felt rich. XH didn’t contribute to our living costs but did pay for holidays, and said the pot of money growing in his account was being saved for a house deposit together. I was happy.

Then I fell pregnant with DC1. I was still paying all our living costs. Because I always had. But they had to go further now. I would run out of money each month and have to go to XH for more. He used to tell me I was irresponsible and had to find ways to cut costs; I had PND and was so browbeaten that it didn’t occur to me that the more sensible thing would be for us to have a joint account and for me to have visibility over “our” savings (in his name) and what he was spending money on. To give you a rough idea, we were earning almost exactly the same each month, but all of mine was going on living costs, whereas only a third of his was going to me to top up my overdraft each month. I was miserable.

We finally had a large enough deposit to buy a house. The bank wanted the mortgage patments to come out of a joint account. He said it would be quicker to have him added to my account than open a new one, so that’s what we did. So now he had full access to all my wages and I had no access to any of his.

I gradually recovered from PND. And realised that he was utterly taking me for granted and treating me like a household appliance or a pet. I tried again and again to get him to pull his weight and treat me as his equal, over a period of years, but although he said the right things (sometimes) it never translated into actions.

The inevitable happened. I gave him an ultimatum: marriage counselling or split. He agreed to counselling, but only if he could choose the counsellor. I said yes. He picked someone, didn’t tell me how much. I asked, he put me off. I asked, he put me off. I did some internet research. It turned out the counsellor was £16k upfront. XH paid it from an account I knew nothing about (and forged my signature on the contract so I wouldn’t see the fees clauses).

The final straw came the next month. I happened to get paid my annual bonus that month. And the bastard moved it immediately into HIS savings account. It was “only” a couple of thousand but it came less than a week after I had it out with him over the £16k counsellor fees.

I left him a few weeks later and started divorce proceedings.

He never did give full financial disclosure. Going back over the years, there are tens and tens of thousands of pounds “missing”. I don’t know if he salted them off, or spent them or lost them on bad investments. I didn’t care by that point. He bought me out of the former matrimonial home with a sum that was certainly vastly less than I could have got in court, but it was enough for a deposit on a small house of my own with room for the DCs, and I couldn’t stand the thought of years of forensic accountants and legal fees and fighting. It was more important for me to be able to move on with my life.

So my advice to you is: don’t assume that it’s a legal irrelevancy in a marriage as to whose name is on the savings accounts, and don’t assume that the person who says he loves you will automatically be doing right by you, and don’t assume you’ll get full financial disclosure if you divorce. Because some people just don’t play that way.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 13/01/2018 18:26

So he has his safety net of savings in his sole name but you are not allowed yours?

EdithViolet · 13/01/2018 18:54

Children's birth money is theirs. It is against the law actually to do as you do. It is their money. You need to work out what amount was given to them and put it now into an account for them. You are currently holding it on trust for them.

On the more general issue if you divorced it would not matter whose name money is in in terms of dividing it and you would each be legally obliged to disclose what you have to the other.

Inertia · 13/01/2018 19:06

Surely the people who gave you and the children birthday money intended you to spend it on yourselves? I'd be cross if birthday money I'd given to neices /nephews/grandchildren endeavours up hidden in their fathers' Isas! Children's own savings fair enough.

I think you're right to keep the allowances in your accounts, simply because it's for the children and you take responsibility for meeting their day to day needs, so it has to be accessible.

You both should be open about showing all the accounts to one another - he needs to show you his savings accounts too.

Love51 · 13/01/2018 19:17

The OP hasn't done anything illegal (well, not that she has mentioned on this thread. So let's not get hyperbolic.

Missonihoni · 13/01/2018 19:23

He puts birthday money and kids money into isa for himself. Lol

Sounds like this planning to leave you not you leaving him !

This also concerns me.

Previously all spare money including any DLA went into my dh’s savings account. I asked that it be split between both of our savings accounts but he never got round to it (very finance savvy but badly organised). -

Lashalicious · 13/01/2018 19:32

Cha is worth listening to.

Your birthday money goes into his account? None of your money should be going into his accounts, of which you have no clue what is in there (and presumably that’s how he likes it).

What is best for us is having all joint accounts with both our names on them. Everything is visible to both of us. I am in charge of the finances so dh brings his paycheck stubs to me (isn’t that how it’s supposed to work?) Smile

With that said, if you have good reason to think you can’t trust your partner (why be with him then), then I would suggest having your own account in your own name to build up savings just in case. This would be the only good reason in my opinion to have a separate “secret” account. Otherwise the person with the secret account is the one who can’t be trusted, right?

It sounds like he is keeping his money secret and apart from you for not a good reason such as using all your money for bills so that he can build up a nice nest egg for himself unbeknownst to you. I would nip that in the bud asap.

Theresnonamesleft · 13/01/2018 19:42

If he truly believed that all money was family money, then the whole family would have access to it. They don't.

This really needs sorting out now. IF not I predict that he will see direct payments as excess money.

He wants to see your accounts?
Well two can play that game and insist he can see yours when you have seen his.

SleepingStandingUp · 14/01/2018 10:49

You can open a new account in your name but use it only for the kids. Then when they are means tested it won't flag.

Any surplus that you can afford to put in his savings account should go into the kids. Then you use it to pay for their extras they need, things you wouldn't pay for if they didn't have disabilities.

Depending on how much you all get for birthdays, the kids should be actual cash they can spend or you can spend on them for things they don't need.

YOUR birthday money you can do what you want with but it is yours. Id go so far as to ask the giver to write seperate cheques.

He sounds like a financially abusive arsehole who is intent on squirrelling away every spare penny off his wife and disabled children

ToucheEcat · 14/01/2018 11:04

yanbu at all OP. I agree with the previous two posters. He essentially wants to use your kids' DLA to top up his savings account, and is putting pressure on you as either 1)he doesn't want you to use any spare DLA to top your savings account (as it should belong to HIM and not YOU) or 2)he doesn't want you to spend all your kids DLA on things that benefit your kids. Neither of these shows him in a good light.

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