H&M mother has said for people to 'get over it'

[WomanEmpire]

Apparently she has said on Facebook it's people 'crying wolf' and to 'get over it'

Wdyt?

I personally think H&M are counting their lucky stars and have sort of preyed on her, (this is very presumptuous, so I am prepared to be shot down) knowing that perhaps as someone who is native Nigerian and moved to Sweden (I think relatively recently, but again pull me up on this if I'm incorrect) might not be quite as aware of the racism that incurs in the US/UK, as those who live in these countries and wouldn't think to second guess in a shoot, because you'd trust such a popular retailer to not have racist slurs put on a jumper and modelled by a child, who could quite possibly still be called this by those idiots. Because I still can't believe that NO ONE along the process picked up on this.

I'm not saying racism doesn't occur in other countries but I have experience of those two countries.

I love Mumsnet in many ways but some of you are so out of touch (giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a bit naive and dim rather than out and out racist pricks.)

I'm beginning to wonder.

Some non white people are offended.

End of discussion.

Even if people were saying that they found it offensive because it causes them to be reminded of the things racist people have said, it would be a free country to discuss the reasonableness of this surely?

But people are saying the ad is not just offensive but racist. This is a term that has a meaning and we can all discuss it, and whether something qualifies. No one demographic is the arbitrator here.

Sorry my comment didn't come across how I meant it at all.

Obviously people who find (quite rightly) the advert offensive have every right to say so.

People who don't find it offensive DONT have the right to say so. They don't have the right to tell people what they can and can't be offended by.

Not explaining myself very well today, I got two hours of broken sleep and am so tired all I can manage to do is tap out badly spelled replies on Mumsnet.

Dreamy I meant the website should have a photo of a kid from each ethnic group wearing the jumper - so the message is clear this jumper can be worn be anyone/hamster.

What good would that do? We all know the jumper can be worn by anyone, but it's black people who are quite rightly offended because in slave times, where white people owned black people, and sought to dehumanise them, saw them as property, how stupid do people have to be to not see that black "coolest monkey in the jungle" next to white "jungle expert survivor" top is actually pretty racist, albeit possibly unintentionally?
The word is still used as an insult to this day by racist halfwits, nothing's stopping anyone wearing the jumper but surely you can see that by doing so racists are going to feel justified in their slurs or come out with it even more.
Just look at this and the other thread, certain awful commenters who don't give a shit that people are still thrown abuse to this day.

What action do you take if the boy was wearing this in public or in a restaurant? Do management remove him from the restaurant as not to upset any offended customers?

If you're upset at seeing this on a website and want the owners to remove it, similarly you would be upset seeing this up close and would want the image removed by the restaurant owner?

bummymummy

People who don't find it offensive DONT have the right to say so. They don't have the right to tell people what they can and can't be offended by.

1. Do you understand what’s problematic about declaring what others have (or don’t have) the ‘right’ to say?

1. Do you understand why this gets people’s backs up?

1. Do you understand the difference between someone else a) saying they don’t find X offensive, and b) saying you don’t have the right to feel offended?

Of course I understand the difference but plenty of people are saying they shouldn't be offended. Are you missing a lot of these comments?

You think it's ok for a white person to tell a black person what they should or should not be offended by?

I love Mumsnet in many ways but some of you are so out of touch (giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're a bit naive and dim rather than out and out racist pricks.

People who are genuinely naive about the meaning behind it would take time out to learn more about the history and educate themselves (I've been reading a lot the past few days into the whole history)
Out and out racist pricks though are never going to care, or indeed listen.

I guess there's a smattering of both types on here. It's frustrating behind a screen when you can't tell which is which though. Engaging with people were simply didn't know is obviously important.

The word is still used as an insult to this day by racist halfwits, nothing's stopping anyone wearing the jumper but surely you can see that by doing so racists are going to feel justified in their slurs or come out with it even more

Surely this only affects those who chose to wear the jumper and are subjected to racist taunts? And by that rational should black people not eat bananas in case they're subjected to same abuse?

Those who are offended won't buy the jumper and don't have to look at the website picture so I fail to see how they are going to subjected to racist bullying?

Best to ignore zara bummy, as you can see throughout the thread there's been a few deletions due to some pretty disgusting racist comments which were met with a wide eyed "what, me? Means something else, silly"

OH FORS FUCK'S SAKE.

@lilipoot really???

Ahhh thanks @DreamyMcDreamy

bummymum

*Of course I understand the difference but plenty of people are saying they shouldn't be offended. Are you missing a lot of these comments? hmm

You think it's ok for a white person to tell a black person what they should or should not be offended by? confused*

I think it’s daft for anyone to attempt to tell others what they ought to think.

But what you previously posted explicately stated what others ‘dont have the right to say’ about how they feel.

Do you understand why this is a) hugely problematic, and b) going far beyond defending your own rights to state your feelings?

Oh for heavens sake dreamy. If you think you’re achieving anything I pity you.

Those who are offended won't buy the jumper and don't have to look at the website picture so I fail to see how they are going to subjected to racist bullying?

I'll say it really slowly.

• It's the advert and how they put the two hoodies and boys together.

-Anyone can wear the hoodie but it is only going to justify in racist fuckwits that yes, it's legitimately just a normal word to use and they'll carry on abusing people.

The ‘pretty disgusting racist comment’ was to comment on others beating their chests.

If you’re too ill-educated to know what that means, why even engage

Oh for heavens sake dreamy. If you think you’re achieving anything I pity you.

Mmm'kay......

Put down the phone bummy do something thst chills you out

You don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong to feel offended no. You just don't. I can't believe you're arguing you can.

So you're saying that being racist is ok? Because we have to have total freedom of speech? Because our civil liberties are at risk if we can't say discriminatory things?

There are posters here who clearly feel thst screaming ‘racist’ is their ace in the hole. (Much like ‘transphobe’ for TRAs)

Sad really.

I don’t think being racist is ok.

But posters on here saying ‘I don’t find x offensive’ a) isn’t racist, and b) well within their rights.

FWIW I argued on the other thread thst the advert was insensitive and a mistake.

As I said - wide eyed, who me?
Thread about racism,and monkey being used as an insult.
You - defending racism the entire way through, inserting references to chest beating, and a reference to peanuts, and then thinking we're all too stupid to see exactly what you're doing.

Whatever.

If you want the world to subscribe to your demands for self censorship you’ll always be disappointed. However many posts you report.