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To find this absolutely shocking...

94 replies

GnusSitOnCanoes · 03/01/2018 13:58

This man has just been jailed for murdering his partner - the third woman he has killed since the early 90s. How is it possible he's been allowed to kill three times, and released twice? I'm furious and so sad for the families involved, who have seen this happen three times now.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42540995

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Viviennemary · 04/01/2018 18:35

He is more or less a serial killer then. But won't be called such because they were his partners. Confused

Floellabumbags · 04/01/2018 18:39

And yet the vast majority of murders and violent assaults are carried out by family, friends and partners.

YouOKHun · 04/01/2018 18:44

Yes, unbelievable and awful story. Tonight I read that the Black Cab rapist suspected of committing over 100 crimes against women and convicted of rape, is due to be let out any day - they only arrested him in 2007 FFS. These two stories say much about how seriously crimes against women are taken.

ItMadeMyEyesWater · 04/01/2018 19:03

I read this in paper, and I thought exactly the same. I think the laws need to change. If you commit murder, you should be jailed for life. Look at Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Raymond Morris, The Chase Murders, The Kray Twins, they were all sent to prison for life. These crimes took place about fifty or more years ago, but do the same today and the sentence is very light. The crime is the same, but whether it's over crowded prisons, or rehabilitation the Judges seem to shy away from giving, ........'Life means Life' sentences, and until they do we will be reading about similar crimes for many more years to come.

Dianag111 · 04/01/2018 19:50

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yulefool · 04/01/2018 20:01

Sad isn’t it, I live in Scotland and I’ve never heard of Clare’s Law. They should be teaching warning signs of abusive behaviour at school in whatever they call personal social education these days. Doing due diligence should be built in, especially in the days of anaonymous online dating where you dont meet through friends.

FluffyWuffy100 · 04/01/2018 20:05

@Dianag111 people with low self esteem, believing he’s changed, he was provoked. Whatever. Very very sad :-(

Marigold76 · 04/01/2018 20:22

That’s not depression, thats self indulgent rage and anger that the women in his life have had enough of him and found someone else. He’s a nasty revolting scumbag

^This

Im sure under the very broad definitions of mental illness he qualifies somewhere. However, He can clearly control his urges with all other members of society, it's only his partners or ex partners that his 'mental illness' comes into play. This story made me so angry. THREE women! and each one killed because they disagreed with him.

To excuse a violent murder with 'provocation' because a couple argued is unimaginably awful. Makes me feel physically sick. These women stood NO chance. They would have had NO idea how vulnerable they were.

The fact is that society just does not want to (or does not know how to) deal with male violence. It is ignored, excused and justified and even when the motive is clear (I'm thinking of the case where the husband shot his wife and daughter in a sports centre car park) the more subtle excusing continues 'neighbours said he seemed a nice man' 'he was a pillar of the community' etc etc.

Shameful and heartbreaking

Jayfee · 04/01/2018 20:24

He sounds like a psychopath and they are very devious.

Smudge100 · 04/01/2018 20:31

Two female relatives of mine were victims of domestic violence. The first, my aunt, now in her eighties, was forced to take her children to a children‘s home and abandon them in order to save her own life. This was in the early sixties when such a thing stigmatised the woman, a mother who abandoned her children, rather than the violent husband who drove her to it. When her brother, incensed at her treatment, threatened the violent husband, the police arrested him and told him not to interfere in a domestic situation. When i read about how the law excuses men like this serial killer, i feel that little has changed in society‘s attitude to women in the intervening half century.

lolalola19 · 04/01/2018 20:43

Because we live in England and here people can literally get away with murder!

PompholyxOfUnknownOrigin · 04/01/2018 21:11

This makes me want to get together a vigilante group to deal with these men, because the courts sure as hell aren't doing so.

user764329056 · 04/01/2018 21:28

Have just emailed Home Secretary regarding release of rapist Worboys, think another email about this bastard is due, am sure it won’t make an iota of impact but I am so angry at how no priority is given by decision makers to address, or even acknowledge, the DV epidemic, why isn’t this issue seen as important? Oh, cos it’s women, that’s why

Tattygran14 · 04/01/2018 22:07

My partner worked in a secure psychiatric unit. They are treated so much better in there than prison. So the ones in the know plead insanity. We have huge rows, he says they should be given a chance. I scream at him WHAT CHANCE DO THEIR VICTIMS HAVE. They even get escorted to hospital appointments, and go straight in. I'm seething just typing this.

SherbrookeFosterer · 04/01/2018 22:53

I am baffled by the John Worboys case too.

Anniethinggose · 04/01/2018 23:34

All I can think about regarding the John warboys case is just....swearwords. These are scary times.

Purplealienpuke · 05/01/2018 08:27

Worboys is one of the reasons the death penalty should be reintroduced in my opinion! WTAF are the authorities thinking? How has he been cured of his sickness in 9 years after a lifetime of abusing women?
Johnson should never have been released after the first time he murdered an innocent woman. Whether he spent the rest of his life in a mental institution of prison or being monitored he should not have had the opportunity to murder again TWICE MORE FFS!!!
And then he traumatised a train driver!! (Although I imagine a few people will want to buy him/her a drink!).
I don't understand the British justice system AT ALL 😠

BarbarianMum · 05/01/2018 17:04

If he didn't get life imprisonment what makes you think he'd have got the death penalty?

BashStreetKid · 06/01/2018 01:54

Even when we had a death penalty, it hadn't applied to rape and sexual since 1841, so it's hardly likely that a reintroduced death penalty would apply to Worboys in any event.

The problem with his case is that he was severely undercharged; he was only convicted of one offence of rape and 9 or 10 charges of sexual assault. That limited the original judge's options and probably limited the options of the parole board. But I'm still quite baffled that they are apparently so confident that a man whose entire way of life was built on sexually assaulting women now presents no danger of that whatsoever.

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