To find this absolutely shocking...

[GnusSitOnCanoes]

This man has just been jailed for murdering his partner - the third woman he has killed since the early 90s. How is it possible he's been allowed to kill three times, and released twice? I'm furious and so sad for the families involved, who have seen this happen three times now.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42540995

I thought similarly when reading this story.

I wondered if the third victim knew he had killed 2 women previously.

Even for manslaughter you'd get ten years plus if you killed someone other than your wife/GF (or ex).

I'm glad you started this thread OP. I read this story and was as disgusted and appalled as you are. How he was put back into society to commit two more murders after killing his first partner is beyond me, it's an absolute disgrace.

There are so so so many things wrong with this country right now - this is yet another. If he has mental health issues that make him a danger to others then sufficient steps should have been taken to ensure he would not be able to pose a risk to anybody else - clearly this didn't happen!! It probably all boils down to money as usual and the government under-funding mental health services, just like they under-fund and shrink everything else that's vitally important.

i wonder the same chew, I've long thought since reading mumsnet that there ought to be some sort of website where you could anonymously tip off about abusive blokes. I appreciate it isn't there because of the legal risk, but there are very few ways for women to find out whether their partner has a bad history. Quite easy for these men to reappear somewhere else with a new story.

There are some signs (no contact with children/odd contact arrangements) but not everyone picks up on that.

Society normalises violence towards women. Our society is steeped in misogyny and we have a long way to go before women are liberated. This will only change when we start caring about women. This will only change when we name the problem, male violence, and decide to do something about it.

So he's tried to kill himself twice

Chewbecca from what I've read, she didn't when she met him, but then found our from letters and family members over time that he has killed a previous partner. I don't think she knew he'd killed two women.

Dusty I am so angry - it's a catalogue of errors, and these women have paid the price.

Yes Stealth and he's no doubt traumatised the train driver in the process

Stealth yes, he seems significantly less skilled at offing himself, than his partners.

look at the language the media uses when reporting these types of cases.
“He just snapped”
“He suspected his partner of cheating”
“The community is in shock, he’s always been such a nice quiet man”
“He was considered a pillar of the community”
“He is a good father”

The same goes for men who have murdered their children during/after a relationship breakdown.

Women don’t get the same said about them, although it is usually men who murder women not the other way round.

The lovely amazing woman who helped me complete the freedom programme last year said that men when they “snap” are more likely to attack their partner when they’re children are in the house, therefore using the defence of “I just snapped I couldn’t help it” whereas women who “snap” after say, years of abuse don’t do it when their children are in the home therefore it is considered premeditated and carries a heavier sentence. That’s a theory no idea how true it is.

I was about to say the same as Gnus.

Why are people so determined to ignore this man's psychiatric illness? This thread would be very different if it concerned a woman.

Provocation doesn't exist as a defence any more - it was replaced by loss of control under s. 54 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009.
It was never a total defence but it did reduce murder to manslaughter.
In the 1990s there were a series of cases which highlighted the fact that women were far less likely to be able to rely on the defence than men: a man who "snapped" because of his wife's behaviour would be covered, a woman who lost control and stabbed her abusive partner would not if she did anything which suggested premeditation (even walking into another room for a knife for a few seconds.) There was a sustained feminist campaign for many years on the issue.
The new law plus a change in attitudes in the last 30 years may, perhaps, make a difference, but the legal situation was very very different when he was first prosecuted.

So he's tried to kill himself twice

Such a shame he didn't succeed either time. Like Bit I also immediately felt sorry for the poor train driver (as I always do when someone does that) it must be an absolutely mind crushingly awful thing to experience.

Why are people so determined to ignore this man's psychiatric illness? This thread would be very different if it concerned a woman

Why are you determined to ignore the THREE WOMEN dead at his hands? If his psychiatric illness is the cause, he should have been in a psychiatric hospital and unable to kill them. He was not.

The train driver can assume the event, for which he was not responsible but probably feels guilty, prevented another murder, I hope

I don't believe any woman would (or should) have been freed to kill for a 3rd time.

Mental illness is such a broad spectrum. This killer has depression apparently. Depression does not cause you to batter someone to death with a claw hammer or strangle them. It just doesn’t. And depression is not an excuse for those who violently murder people. There seems to be a pattern with this guy. The women appear to be about ready to leave him (can’t think why, he seems such a good bloke ) for whatever reason and he gets angry about that and violently kills them. That’s not depression, thats self indulgent rage and anger that the women in his life have had enough of him and found someone else. He’s a nasty revolting scumbag.

Is the wheelchair a plea for mercy from the court? 😡 The suicide attempt mentions a severed hand and arm. Does that require a wheelchair? Mental health problems or not to kill three times the man needs locking up for good

Why are people so determined to ignore this man's psychiatric illness? This thread would be very different if it concerned a woman

Why are you determined to make this thread, which was about the three women this violent thug murdered, about the man? Why are you not absolutely outraged at the amount of women and girls that are hurt and killed at the hands of men every single day?

he seems significantly less skilled at offing himself, than his partners.

Come on. We can - and should - completely condemn a justice system that would allow a man who has killed twice to walk free and claim another victim without adding to stigma about survived suicide attempts being 'failed', 'not serious', and 'just attention/sympathy seeking'.

I haven't said any of those things Margaret. I'm simply - and without repent - wishing he'd succeeded. It would have saved the life of this third girlfriend.

So little has changed over my half-century on this planet. How fucking depressing
Indeed - it's friggin' soul destroying!