To think she deserves everything she gets

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Restaurant chef boasts of serving meat to vegans

I'm not a vegan. I'm not even a vegetarian. But my DD2 is, and I hope she's not one of the diners involved. I think she's just single handedly destroyed her business. Fucking abysmal behaviour.

YABU to think anyone deserves death threats.

She behaved appallingly and unprofessionally and hopefully people will vote with their feet. But that torch and pitchfork mob mentality response is no better.

Im vegan, and i feel sorry for this woman. No way doez she 'deserve everything she gets'

I wonder why on earth she posted that on social media???

Of COURSE she doesn't deserve death threats.

She does deserve for her business to go down the shitter though.

She posted very nasty comments on social media about the customer, and called her a cunt, and laughed because she had given her meat.

Utterly vile cow.

Would she give pork to a muslim, or nuts to a nut allergy sufferer?

She is of course NOW trying to backtrack and say she didn't give the woman meat at all.

Of course she did.

And yes, she DOES deserve everything she gets.

Justvent - that's not relevant though, is it, since the person actually ASKED for the mozzarella. You'd like to think they'd know it was made with dairy if they were alllergic to it. Most people with allergies do pay attention to what sets them off.

Unfortunately small business owners especially do need to be careful what they post on Social Media as there's always an army of 1 star reviewers waiting to pounce on the smallest hint of controversy without being in possession of the full facts. Why anyone would review a business without ever making use of it is odd. Also if you don't like the actions of one person who works there, why would you jeopardize the other employees' livelihoods? Surely you would raise your concerns with management first and let them respond?

We ended up disabling Facebook reviews as some of bizarre tales which found there way on there were astounding. One particular gem was someone who'd never been to the business (he openly admittted this when asked him for more info/feedback on the 1 star) but he still wouldn't remove it.

@DidIDoTheWrongThing as you know obviously vegans would know that mozzarella is not vegan. If described as 'mozzarella' and they had been told it was a vegan menu they might presume that it was though. Vegan 'mozzarella' is even sold in Tesco. Zizzis use one called mozzarisella I think made with rice milk. I don't think there is any implication that someone said they were vegan then ate mozzarella without checking it was vegan - from what I've read one member of the group clearly only vegetarian or omni ordered off the regular menu.

Metro reported: '‘Pious, judgmental vegan (who I spent all day cooking for) has gone to bed, still believing she’s a vegan,’ Goodman wrote in the early hours of Saturday morning. When commenters asked her if this meant she had put non-vegan food in the group’s meal, she responded: ‘Actually I should have said “they’re” not a vegan… not “she’s”. Started with asking me to telephone them, over Christmas, to discuss the dietary requirements of their guests within a set time frame, and ended with me wondering why I’m explaining this simplistic post to a pious c**t.’ Elsewhere in the group, on the same night, she wrote: ‘Spiked a vegan a few hours ago.’

Clearly no vegan would leave thinking they'd eaten vegan food unless they'd been told that it was vegan. So she was pissed off that one person was not vegan and had ordered off her regular menu, but had deliberately 'spiked' the vegan food with dairy/egg/other anyway! That's how it reads as far as I can see - from her own mouth.

@ ThumbWitchesAbroad according to the second comment one member of the group just ordered a normal pizza off the regular menu though, not that the whole group did or indeed that any of them requested something outside of that diet. Unless they had specifically said e.g. we'll be a party of 8 vegans and she'd prepared 8 special meals and only 7 of them were taken by the group; that might be frustrating for her but is hardly a huge deal. Even then, everyone else can eat vegan food too!

Of course she doesn't deserve death threats but she does deserve to lose her job. Exposure to dairy for some allergic people can cause a seizure which would mean they'd lose their driving licence and potentially their job. And of course the physical effects could be worse than that. Vile woman.

@ThumbWitchesAbroad - left a space in my tag above.

I could understand the outrage if he woman it happened to was a vegan. But she wasn't. She was a two faced fussy cow. Who eats cheese.

@KayaG why 'I could understand the outrage if he woman it happened to was a vegan. But she wasn't. She was a two faced fussy cow. Who eats cheese.'

There was a group who had requested vegan options be available and all but one of them ate the 'vegan' food that she had actually spiked, one of them ate off the regular menu so was clearly not vegan. Did they specifically say that every single member of the group would be vegan when they booked? And if yes, let her know if that changed? (If the booker knew that it had). We don't know.

And she had deliberately contaminated the food she told them was vegan anyway. She's the two-faced one, and that's putting it lightly.

Then if she wasn't a vegan, there was no contamination, was there? It's not contaminating to make what the customer orders and she ordered one with cheese.

I had a quick look on TripAdvisor yesterday and couldn't see a host of one-star reviews, maybe they removed them/didn't actually post them as they suspected that some were just in response to the press (though hopefully not any from the 'spiked' parties).

If she has really had threats though - has she - that is clearly unacceptable but they could have come from anyone couldn't they. Militant vegans don't help their cause but quite possibly as all sorts have been outraged by this, any could have come from non-vegans. Or even people trying to undermine the vegan movement. This day and age and that severely (if true), quite likely general trolls or even sensationalist press lying to stir things up though I reckon. :(

@KayaG Have you read the screen shots of her gloating that she had spiked a vegan? Not that one person in a group who'd asked for vegan options obviously wasn't themselves vegan as they'd chosen something off the normal menu. Aside from whatever that one or any other persons chose, she boasted of 'spiking' customers' food. That's a v disturbing claim for someone preparing food to make.

I can't get worked up about it, frankly. Trivial issue.

I really hate the attitude of vegetarians and vegans who berate people for not being "proper" vegetarians because they have chips cooked in beef fat when there isn't another option. Surely it's good that the person is trying not to eat meat, and succeeding most of the time. It's up to people what they want to and don't want to eat and if. It is sometimes necessary to make exceptions then so what. Animals aren't being killed to feed them.

If someone doesn't want to eat mushrooms, but the only option is a meal with mushrooms in it that they pick out before eating, does that mean that they should have to eat mushrooms or be berated because they should have starved rather than pick out the mushrooms?

@KayaG & @BurnTheBlackSuit I agree with both points.

It's just one small incident when the bigger picture of cruelty & environmental damage etc. from the meat & dairy industries are much wider issues/concerns than the actions of one chef (apart from to anyone she might have made ill of course). And excessive outrage over one incident doesn't help the cause. (Though the outrage has been from people with all sorts of diets). If she'd been an employee and sacked or at least disciplined/made to do a food safety course when her manager saw her posts, perhaps it might not have blown up the way it has. Though she might not have posted that outcome might she!

Indeed if someone in the chips in beef fat, or just chips in vegetable oil but cooked in the same fryer as fish situation, decided to eat such a meal occasionally it serves little purpose for them to be lambasted by anyone, vegan, veggie, or not. Anyone eating vegan (or 'plant-based') or veggie for say 1,090 instead of 1,095 meals a year is still making a big commitment that should be appreciated. Obv if they flex often they're probably/'really' just 'flexitarian', but clearly labels don't always help!

I think people do expect that there will be more options than a box of salad when a lot of places now offer a good choice of vegetarian food, if they are just passing with non veggie friends who want food they will have to either take a box of salad or have nothing unless they agree on this one occasion to eat food cooked in beef fat. I do also suspect they think they are cooked in oil not fat until you tell them as you don't want to let them eat them knowing you haven't told them.

Whether IABU or not I don't care. I'm just relieved it wasn't dd2, as she refuses all animal products

1 You didn't bother to read what happened before you posted and moaned about it, did you?

1. why post in aibu if you don't care if you are or not?
2. YABVVVU.

Restaurant in Dublin had form for "funny" social media posts and last year adopted a no vegans allowed policy. People post on their fb page from all over the world applauding them. I don't get it tbh

It's a joke. Mainly aimed at people who don't understand that they don't actually have a no vegans policy.

you must have entirely missed why they "banned" vegans in the first place then, I guess?

I wonder if it was a case of one of the vegans being the organiser and they went ahead and booked it as a vegan meal for everyone, whereas not all members of the party were vegans? One of the people then said 'sod this' and ordered what they actually wanted to eat?

I had to work with someone who tried to make it a rule that everyone had to eat vegan because she would be 'traumatised' to see anyone around her eating meat. She got laughed at, and apparently now she's a teacher and tried to put the rule in place that students only bought vegan lunches with them!

I really hate the attitude of vegetarians and vegans who berate people for not being "proper" vegetarians because they have chips cooked in beef fat when there isn't another option. Surely it's good that the person is trying not to eat meat, and succeeding most of the time.

Completely agree with this. The number of meat-eaters who ask me 'What's the point if you can't do it PROPERLY?' is laughable. By that logic we wouldn't bother with charity, recycling or energy saving - you can't do it PROPERLY (I.e. save everyone, change the world) so why bother?

My answer is always that every little helps (thanks Tesco). That confuses them

wonder if it was a case of one of the vegans being the organiser and they went ahead and booked it as a vegan meal for everyone, whereas not all members of the party were vegans?
That was my take on it, the person ordering the pizza wasn't Vegan.Plus who slags off their customers online in this day and age.

And that restaurant in Dublin also said you needed a doctor's note to prove you where gluten free😁😁.

she deserves to be insulted, threatened with death, to lose her job?
Because somebody asked for cheese and she gave it them?
Right OK, you sound rational

She doesn't deserve death threats, but she slagged off a customer online and said she done stuff to their food.Thats down to her.

In this case the customer can order what they like.