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AIBU to be totally sick of immature, selfish, aggressive brother?

36 replies

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 17:47

I'm at the end of my tether with my brother and would appreciate some advice or at least being told I'm not totally unreasonable!

A bit of background - he's 40 (3 years younger than me). He hasn't worked for 20 years except the very occasional short stint which always ends with him packing it in because someone looked at him funny or some other trivial thing. He lives in a house owned by our mum that was our late gran's. He lived with her for a few years and although he wasn't a carer exactly he kept an eye on things and it was a comfort to her. He's never paid any rent and doesn't pay insurance - my mum does. He's had to go on gas and electricity meters because he ran up big arrears and he doesn't look after the place at all.

He has 2 children, a ds(13) and dd (4) by different mothers both of whom left him because they got sick of his shit. To be fair he's a good dad and great with them but he does slag their mums off in front of them sometimes which makes me uncomfortable.

He relies on my mum - a pensioner - for 'help' i.e. money and uses the children as leverage. He's on benefits including ESA for a mental health condition he's never actually clarified. He comes round to mum's and sits there on his phone while our 75 yo mother entertains the kids, he eats her food, uses her shower etc and never a word of thanks. He's always been very self centred, ungrateful and lacking in any kind of personal responsibility.

So to Christmas...I live 300 miles away and I do come to visit when I can but obviously I do have work etc. he resents this as he thinks I should never have left our tiny town and that he looks after mum all the time while I occasionally swoop in to get the glory. He doesn't actually do a lot for mum and what he does do he does grudgingly. This year he's been on edge the whole time, and yesterday I came into the room when his little dd was just behind the closed door. I opened it suddenly, it didn't hit her but gave her a fright and she ran to dad who lost it with me and yelled about how I should be more careful etc. fair enough, I apologized but he would leave it. DH told him there was no harm done and he started on DH then telling him he had no idea what it's like having kids - DH has two from his first marriage, brought them up till eldest was 10 and is still close with them! DH told brother not to patronize him which really upset brother as he's not used to being spoken to like that. Mum then told DB he should've been keeping an eye on his dd instead of being glued to his phone at which we got a massive rant and he then stormed out taking two very bemused dcs with him.

He later texted me basically to tell me how awful we all are. I replied that we do love him to which I got the following:
Between the three of you, with your selfish attitude, DH's opinionated offensive rant and mothers biased bullshit picking, you well and truly ruined Christmas for me. So y'know, get to fuck.

So. I'm sick of walking on eggshells around him, as are we all. I really think he needs help. At this point I'd happily go nc but I want a relationship with niece and nephew and more importantly, don't want my mum to have to cope with him alone. We both had a normal upbringing, no dysfunctional in the family but he's always been like this and we don't know why. Everything is someone else's fault, he's a fucking parasite and I'm sick of it.

Aaagh - that was incredibly long. Sorry.

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LuxuryWoman2017 · 27/12/2017 18:00

Given what you've postedin can't agree he's a good dad. Slags of their mum and leaves everything to his own. Does he pay child support?

I don't think there is anything you can do tbh. He's a fully grown man(child) . It must be hard but I can't see him changing. He doesn't need to with a house and your mum around.

LuxuryWoman2017 · 27/12/2017 18:01

Apologies for typos my phone is playing up.

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:06

He pays what he can in child support which isn't much, him being unemployed. But he does contribute.

I feel like our parents enabled him for years rather than let him fuck up on his own and now he can't or won't change. He's so fucking rude and ungrateful! He takes everything as his due. Wouldn't even give me two quid for the jar of honey I got for him at the shop. And moaned about the brand Hmm

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LuxuryWoman2017 · 27/12/2017 18:17

Well, hard as it is, your parents chose to enable hIm. At 13 I would think you could have a relationship with your nephew independently of your brother and possibly the 4 year old if you have or can develop a friendship with her mum. But you are NBU about your brother. It must be infuriating for you.

TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:23

What a lovely gift he has given you by refusing to talk to you. Enjoy the break!

TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:28

I agree, create an independent relationship with your DN, and contact the mother of DN.

Maybe build up your Mum with some feminist literature.

Your DB MH issues are his and you can send him on his way with love.

Tinselistacky · 27/12/2017 18:30

I would ask their dm if you can see them through her and have naff all to do with him. When the dc are old enough to decide do you really think they will visit him??
Your dm has been a doormat BTW.

LittleMyLikesSnuffkin · 27/12/2017 18:31

He doesn’t provide for his children and slags off their mothers in front of them. He’s an utterly shite dad.

I’d be thrilled if he sent that message: fuck off and don’t bother him that’s a win I’d say. Enjoy not having to deal with him again, useless parasite he is.

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:32

Nephew already rolls his eyes and looks annoyed when his dad kicks off. DB is in danger of losing his respect. He's already lost mine. I don't know what the hell he'll do when mum is gone. Try to mooch off me I suppose...

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:34

Yes he will look to you. What are you going to do now to stop being the third generation of woman in your family to fail this role?

TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:35

*fill

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:36

He's not getting anything from me. I decided that long ago. If his kids need anything that I can help with it'll be directly to them or through their mums, not him. He needs to start standing in his own two feet.

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MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:36

*on

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:38

What will you do when your Mum is gone and his CPN/SW start trying to fob him off on you?

LizzyButton · 27/12/2017 18:39

Given his message to you, how about “thanks for being so frank, let’s have a one year time out”. Stick to it and let the air clear.

Thankfully my brother isn’t a nob. He can be a bit gormless at times, but always tries to play constructive roles. He’s a better child / relative than I am.

Thedietstartsnow · 27/12/2017 18:39

Your mum is to blame,why is he living rent free? That's not helping him take responsibility..she needs to woman up and ship him out

Maelstrop · 27/12/2017 18:41

He needs to get a bloody job and support his dc! Is he expecting to inherit your dm’s house to support himself? How is your dm funding him and herself?

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:41

He doesn't have a CPN or SW. Whatever he has is untreated. He did try antidepressants for a few days but didn't like the way they made him feel Hmm. I have anxiety and depression which I take medication for and pretty much have under control. I work and everything. It frustrates me that he won't help himself but he thinks everyone else is wrong and he knows best so any counseling he's had hasn't worked.

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:43

He will get a SW and CPN when your DM is no longer around enabling his current lifestyle.

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:45

DM is comfortable on her pension. She's mortgage free. She has left him the house he lives in in her will so he'll have somewhere to live, while we are to sell her house that she lives in and split the proceeds 75/25. Fine by me. I have a suspicion he won't want to do that though. But I'm the executor of the will and I intend to abide by it as I must.

DM kept the house he's in in her name as she knew he'd probably borrow against it and end up losing it.

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:47

Give him the 25% and then run for the hills.

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:50

Mum'll be around for a while yet, I hope! But he will probably try and contest it as he thinks he deserves more for not moving away and for occasionally taking her to doctor's appointments or shopping.

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:51

Send evidence of his ability to fight a will and all the caring he does to the DWP then!

MinesaBottle · 27/12/2017 18:51

Anyway that's in the future. I wish there was something I could do now but my mum won't see her grandchildren go without and he knows that. And if she did tell him to shove it, he wouldn't let her see them.

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TunaSushi · 27/12/2017 18:54

That's why you were advised to develop independent relationships of him with the children and advised to build yourselves up thus not being so co-dependant.