To give you trans thread of the day.

[Jassmells]

Just because...

ravishly.com/non-binary-parenting

Child encouraged to be non binary ends up non binary. What a surprise!

Great description! Pretty much what I thought. They think they are so enlightened and progressive but actually just brainwashing the child.
Thing I found most disturbing is how concerned she was when she found out she was pregnant with girls, most people would be delighted it was like she was disappointed to bring something feminine into the world.

To play devils advocate though. Could this not therefore prove that gender is a social construct, as you can construct a child to be male, female, or neutral with this example?

Change the bloody record. If the child is happy, leave them alone. Christ..

Of course gender is a social construct.

Poor nova. At least shes got a ready made way to rebel as a teen. No need for drink and drugs. Just stick on a dress.

Also think people just hear the world through their own filter. I know plenty of little girls who are strong independent etc etc no one round here is huge on calling girls sweet and delicate.

@SD1978 absolutely but I don't think the author realises it in that way I think they think they've given the child choice

What I most disturbing in all this, is if anyone questions this type of thing you get “well people used to think the same way about gay parents. History will judge you”.

That comparison makes my blood boil.

Wow why is mumsnet so anti trans? You're right it is a thread every bloody day! You could post this sort of thing about race or sexuality... Why does this bother you so much? You're talking about a tiny minority.

*couldn't. And rightly so

@Jassmells- but why is she any better or worse than anyone else who does this? If we all ‘force’ gender constructs on our children, then why is her choice any different or worse than what the rest of us do?

I find it sad for the children involved.

Yes the way society sees gender is changing, but adults shouldn't be allowed to use their children as pawns.

My dd2 prefers 'boy things' and that's fine because she's an autonomous being, and there's no such thing as boys things, it's just stuff.

She is however, a girl. I am not an advocate of gender neutral, I am however an advocate of happy children. If that means my long red headed beauty wears a spiderman baseball cap and blue dinosaur dungarees so be it.

ludicrous. When I was 5 I wanted to be boy. I had very short haircut and insisted on being called John for awhile. I dont wear dresses, domt get my nail done and like some stereotypically male activities. Im still a woman and at no point have I felt that I was in the wromg body. I am a woman.

These parents are very short sighted, proud that their 5 year old has rejected societal norms etc. They haven't, theyre just age appropriatly dressing up and role playing. Whats going to happen next year when they want to be a girl again?

Wow why is mumsnet so anti trans? You're right it is a thread every bloody day! You could post this sort of thing about race or sexuality... Why does this bother you so much? You're talking about a tiny minority.

Well the difference is that race and sexuality (and sex) are real not made up like gender. Surely we should be challenging gender rather than coming up with new pointless labels like 'non binary'? And it isn't a tiny minority that's the point. How many girls don't like dolls/ pink/ sparkly stuff, how many boys have a friendship of group of all girls? They are just individuals finding their own way through childhood but some idiot parents seem to need to label it.

I think that article is ok, but actually they have left out a key bit of knowledge. The child is biologically female. They have a female body and need to be prepared for that.

Ok to dress as they want, and use neutral gender pronouns. I think maybe society should move that way.

Imagine a genderless world. People wear whatever clothes combinations and hair styles they want. Work at whatever job they feel drawn to.

At that point, will we think sorting people by sex is a bit quaint? Medically we will still need to sort by sex, of course. Hmm.

To give you trans thread of the day

You should probably ask MNHQ to edit your title to "anti-trans thread".

At that point, will we think sorting people by sex is a bit quaint? Medically we will still need to sort by sex, of course. Hmm.

Whether we have a genderless world or not, I could dress in a suit, have my hair cut short but I would still look like a woman. And tbh I'm not the most feminine looking of women anyway.....

'They' instead of he or she? What is the world coming to

I'm brainwashing my two sons to be gender critical feminist allies. It's working.

Actually, I don't think I mind what this parent is doing. They are not saying to Nova "you like short hair so you must be a boy" . They seem to be protecting her from being caged by gender expectations.

A world where gender (not sex) just isn't a thing would be great.

In a way that is an anti-trans post as the trans movement is very heavily reliant on gender stereotypes.

As someone said earlier you still need to be prepared to grow up in the body you have, will it be an awful segregation of gender when this little girl needs to be told the differences between boys and girls in terms of puberty and starting her period

As someone said earlier you still need to be prepared to grow up in the body you have

I must admit I don't see how gender stereotypes help with this at all. As long as a child is clear that they are biologically a girl who will grow into a woman the rest seems irrelevant.

But is it clear that she will grow into a woman and develop differently if 'he' and 'she' are banned pronouns. It's a complicated topic I guess!

Yeah, I think that it is another reason why the label 'non-binary' is ridiculous. She's just a child who is biologically female but exploring the world in her own way.