To give you trans thread of the day.

[Jassmells]

Just because...

ravishly.com/non-binary-parenting

Child encouraged to be non binary ends up non binary. What a surprise!

The child is five at five most children are heavily influenced by their parents beliefs etc as they grow older they form their own beliefs and values

Wow thanks, OP. What AIBU really needed was another trans thread.

I'm on board with raising kids without ramming pink and blue stuff and activities at them.
But the interpretation of 'non binary' for these sorts of parents, always ends up in the girl child being dressed as a boy, and the boy child in a dress with long hair.
So it just ends up looking like they're following some right on trend.
But I sort of agree with the sentiment.

I disagree that 99.9% of people share these constructs. Perhaps she won't have kids, perhaps she will have a wife not a husband, perhaps she will make friends with males not females, perhaps she will be an engineer not a nurse. All of these things impact on a lot more than 99.9%. We are all individuals. Some of the constructs are plain preposterous and are subject to change over time. Y'know the pink thing for a start is a really modern day introduction.

That said 'identity' includes 'appearance' which will be female anyway because she is a female and that is where the 99.9% comes in.

Biologically, a human child is born with male genitalia, and therefore is male, or female genitalia, and is therefore female.

Gender is a social construct/stereotype. It is as fictional as nonbinary/all the other similar wankery.

The mother is a complete moron. Poor Vauxhall Nova, being stuck with that as a 'parent'

Gender is a social construct/stereotype. It is as fictional as nonbinary/all the other similar wankery

The mother is a complete moron

But isn't the mother taking her out of all of that?

I disagree that 99.9% of people share these constructs. Perhaps she won't have kids, perhaps she will have a wife not a husband, perhaps she will make friends with males not females, perhaps she will be an engineer not a nurse

None of those things are even vaguely reliant on gender. you argued against yourself.

2/4 were quoted in the previous post.

What exactly is gender then if it isn't how society expects males and females to behave/ do?

It's interesting because last time I said on one of these threads I didn't understand what Gender is I was accused of being 'disingenuous'. I am happy to be educated if there is something that I am missing

But Peng a lot of gender stuff is about stereotypes as you quoted in your original post. eg having kids, a husband etc. She will appear female because she is.

I had very short haircut and insisted on being called John for awhile. I dont wear dresses, domt get my nail done and like some stereotypically male activities. Im still a woman and at no point have I felt that I was in the wromg body

yes - thats great for you, but what about the child who does feel that they are in the wrong body?

To some extent, yes. But I also suspect that the world a girl of 5 will meet as an adult woman will be different to the one we have now. So isn't there an argument that she should work out what she wants first?

But I do think all this 'non-binary' is going too far so I probably agree with you there. TBF though my 5yo stands out sometimes with the outfits she chooses but for completely different reasons

Well we share chores and money, both work equally. So I am sure it hasn't occurred to my dc that this isn't normal. It's interesting because I think raising entirely gender neutral children rejecting he/ she etc is probably experimental. However, I am not desperate to inform my children about what society expects (that I don't necessarily practice myself or agree with). For example, I don't think girls need to know what they are expected to be as adults. Telling them about society's expectations to me reinforces things that in my opinion are often wrong and puts pressure on children to be something that they aren't.

but what about the child who does feel that they are in the wrong body?

Like a child with anorexia?

Poor nova. At least shes got a ready made way to rebel as a teen. No need for drink and drugs. Just stick on a dress. Made me laugh. My kids have several friends who were brought up as meat eaters and rebelled as teenagers by becoming vegetarians. They also have several friends brought up as vegetarians who rebelled by becoming meat eaters. Maybe we should "force" our kids to do the opposite to what we want, then they can rebel and we will all be happy.