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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To refuse to visit the inlaws this Christmas?

82 replies

Grewia · 18/12/2017 15:54

My inlaws are lovely generous people, but illness has resulted in them living in an untidy and unclean home. When visiting I have cleaned a room to help out, encouraged their other children who live locally to help more with the cleaning and purchased and fitted a toilet seat. The first time I visited I left the next morning. Since then I've tried to accept it, but it's not a small issue. The floor is rotting in the bathroom, rotting food on the stairs, utterly filthy toilet, stuff everywhere on every surface. I saw a piano used once for icing a cake, the rack was placed on the keys as there was no other available surface. When I purchased a toilet seat one visit, there hadn't been one for years and they were very offended.
By far my biggest issue is the kitchen, in which the cooker is never cleaned and is encrusted, the floor is similarly so, and there is washing up piled on every surface. Food is often left out. When I visited once, there was no bin. There is frequently cat litter all over the floor, although shredded paper is often used in the litter tray. The fridge is never emptied and is refilled, leading to rotted food dripping onto food below and the sink is often inaccessible.
Each Christmas we have visited for a week, we don't live close enough to visit for a day. This year we have a newborn and I'm concerned about taking him into such an environment. I had asked to stay at home this year and have them visit. Question is, AIBU to refuse to go? Knowing it will upset my MIL to miss Christmas with the new baby.

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Trinity66 · 18/12/2017 16:30

I wouldn't stay there, especially with a baby :/ Your husband needs to talk with his siblings and try some sort of intervention by the sounds of it, it sounds like the house is a health hazard tbh

Popchyk · 18/12/2017 16:31

Honestly, they have no incentive to change if everything and everyone just continues as before and everyone ignores the elephant in the room.

You saying that you can't stay as the house is not suitable might just be the shock needed to kick-start them into facing reality. Nothing else has worked.

DH and his siblings can go and visit a couple of days after Christmas and discuss a way forward with them.

If you need to be the bad guy in this situation (and it is the catalyst for positive change), then so be it.

Blackteadrinker77 · 18/12/2017 16:31

They need their family to do more.

No way would I take a new born.

Athome77 · 18/12/2017 16:31

However if the in laws have mental capacity then your can’t do much about it in terms of gp and social services. I have several times in my job had to get the council environmental services or housing association to take action before the person (several different ones in different situations) cleaned up. Everyone has the visit to make an unwise decision, duty of care can be advising someone, if they have capacity there’s nothing gap can do. You may be just better off not visiting or sending dh on his own.

happypoobum · 18/12/2017 16:32

YANBU at all. No bloody way would I go anywhere near that house with a newborn.

I am far from being a Domestic Goddess but fuck knows what kinds of diseases are festering in that place.

Tell DH if he wants to spend Christmas there he can but you and the baby are staying home. You will see him when he gets back and has been defumigated

Notevilstepmother · 18/12/2017 16:35

You can’t stay in a house like that with a baby. Apart from the rotten food etc, what if you trip up when you are holding the baby.

You or your husband may find this site useful. www.helpforhoarders.co.uk/

GabriellaMontez · 18/12/2017 16:38

I wouldn't go there at all. Baby or not.

eggandchips5 · 18/12/2017 16:41

I wouldn't visit a house like that with or without a baby.

You need to seriously help them. The first step is making your in laws understand that they can't live like this. You, your partner and their other children need to clear out mess and clean anything you can. Then organise new flooring etc. This can only happen when your in laws have accepted your help.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/12/2017 16:41

A lot of cleaning companies offer a declutter/deep clean service nowadays. Could your DH organise this with his siblings and chip in to pay for it with his parents maybe, then arrange for a cleaner to come in regularly?

OnTheRise · 18/12/2017 16:41

You really can't visit a house like that if you have children of any age. It's not safe for them.

There can be no discussion on this front. You just can't even take your children in through the front door, let alone spend a week there.

Your husband should be dealing with this, not you.

Beakyplinders · 18/12/2017 16:41

I wouldn't go there whether I had a baby or not.

I get that there are varying reasons/issues going on which have caused their home to be like that but I think if you or your DH went then it's sending a message that it's fine in the state that it is.

onalongsabbatical · 18/12/2017 16:42

They have serious mental health issues. Suggest you download this memoir written by an American woman with similar parents, and both you and DH read it, because you're both in denial, but obviously especially him. It's a quick, easy and shocking read, and it won't give you answers, but, frankly, until you grasp the problem there are no answers. Except don't take a newborn into it, obviously, why on earth would you? www.amazon.co.uk/Coming-Clean-Kimberly-Rae-Miller-ebook/dp/B00B77UDXO/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&keywords=coming+clean+a+memoir&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1513615120&sr=1-1

DivisionBelle · 18/12/2017 16:46

Ah, well, you'll have seen the guidelines about how long a newborn should stay in a car seat? for example.

They do live SUCH a long way away.

Whichever way you swerve this, swerve you must.

Tiptopj · 18/12/2017 16:51

I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing any child there let alone a new born baby. It's not worth the risk especially as you say it's not as if you can make it a quick visit. As someone else said- can you get a hotel for a few nights and meet them outside the house?

rookiemere · 18/12/2017 16:52

Unless the ILs are prepared to accept that things need to change, there's no point wasting money on a one-off clean and anyway they'd probably refuse to let the people in.

The only thing you can really do is keep yourself and your DC out of that environment. DH is possibly in a better position to have a deeper conversation about it, but listened to something on the radio about it and I don't think there's any easy fixes.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 18/12/2017 16:54

The soiled cat litter lying about is, on its own, a valid reason not to take a tiny baby into their house. Cats' wonderful as they are, carry a number of very nasty bacteria which can be fatal to young children.

Trinity66 · 18/12/2017 16:56

The soiled cat litter lying about is, on its own, a valid reason not to take a tiny baby into their house. Cats' wonderful as they are, carry a number of very nasty bacteria which can be fatal to young children.

Exactly, nevermind what is or isn't unreasonable, it would be irresponsible to bring a baby there and the OP should say that to her husband. I mean hurt feelings or risk your babies health and safety? I know what I'd be choosing

MatildaTheCat · 18/12/2017 16:56

As difficult as it may be I think honesty is the best option. Their house isn’t a suitable environment for a baby (or anyone) and therefore you cannot visit.

Maybe arrange for them to visit you in the spring or some other offer but no way are you U for refusing. It sounds a serious situation and very difficult to address so you both need to look at ways of managing visits going forward. Either hotels, Airbnb or staying with other family or otherwise restrict contacts to the in laws coming to you.

lazymum99 · 18/12/2017 16:57

I would not be visiting with or without a baby. I'm impressed that you did stay one night in the past.
Actually, I couldn't stay a whole week in someones house whatever the cleanliness situation. Its long time.
There is definitely a mental health issue here but I'm not sure how much intervention you can make without their permission. The close-by siblings are not doing enough.

Eightbelles · 18/12/2017 16:57

Ew ew ew ew EW!

No don't go. Say you're ill, the baby's ill, the dogs ill, any excuse.

AdalindSchade · 18/12/2017 17:00

Don't make excuses about car seats. This needs tackling. Your DH is clearly conditioned not to face the issues hence why he agreed to go on a promise that it would all be sorted when there isn't a cat in hell's chance that it would be.

Inertia · 18/12/2017 17:04

God no, there is no way I'd be going there with a child. They don't have to miss seeing their grandchild, they can come and visit you. And I wouldn't be making excuses, I'd be absolutely upfront that you're not visiting because it's a health hazard for you and your baby.

littlekellysmum · 18/12/2017 17:09

Is there any way you can contact any cleaning agency in the area where your MIL lives to clean their house before you pay a visit?

Grewia · 18/12/2017 17:16

We had considered a cleaner, but to be honest, they wouldn't be allowed in to clean! I suspect that it must feel like home as it is, and that cleaning it will be quite distressing. There are points in the past where an individual room is cleaned for various reasons out of their control and it always ends up the same way after a period of time.

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Ceto · 18/12/2017 17:17

Because they promised it would be fine, DH agreed to visit for a week and now feels as though it would be unreasonable to refuse to go

Surely he can see it's not unreasonable when they haven't kept the promise? I get it that that is because of their MH difficulties, but they could get help in.

In any event, worrying about being unreasonable cannot conceivably trump your baby's health and, indeed, life. How would he feel if he insisted on going and the baby caught something life-threatening from the cat faeces, which is distinctly possible?

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