Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

[pingodolcepo]

Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

in nice houses with gardens. Which, as a former resident of the area, I can tell you is something only a few multi-million pound property owners have.

This isn't true. I know people in the area, and there are housing-association-run little terraced houses with little gardens out the back (housing association) and also newer townhouse-style terraced houses with surprisingly large gardens (for London). Granted, you have to be on the waiting list for a million years in order to get one, but they do exist. Quite a lot of the low-rise flats also have a little private patch out of the back for the ground-floor flats, leading onto a small communal area.

Whether you'd class these as "nice", I don't know. But I think they are nice.

Why is it whenever someone posts something about council tenants on here people turn so nasty.
Some posters need to start reading something other than the Dail Mail.

What is 'dossy' work OldPony (apt name btw)

And wtf would you begrudge someone an adapted bathroom?

Yet another poster who imagines only those who work as 'hard' as them gets well paid. Meanwhile legions of low paid workers are putting in 50+ hour weeks and/or doing vital, skilled work.

Work that is obviously below you.

And yes. If you need your bathroom adapting due to disability or ill health you can apply for a disabled facilities grant like everyone else.

People turn nasty because of the unfairness of it all. People subletting and not being prosecuted. I'd like to see in being a criminal offence with a prison sentence. And also people with council houses that can well afford to buy their own property but greedily hang on to their council house without a though for anyone else. And people wonder why we are becoming a more selfish society.

Oldpony
You're actually the worst kind of person that exists in terms of your views on this.
We live in a society. Some people will be successful and others won't. Some people will get ill and others won't
I don't have a child, I don't want to pay for your little precious darling to go to school or get SUBSIDISED nursery fees, or free dental care, I don't want to pay for your fucking child benefit, and if you tell me you have NEVER accepted any of these benefits that OUR SOCIETY believe is for the better good of everyone, I simply would not believe you.

And What's all this bollocks about wet rooms. If the council give you a grant to convert your bathroom it's because adult social services believe that the current bathroom may cause danger to you.
So cost of wet room £6 k roughly
Cost of you going into a home till you die, after a nasty fall climbing out of a bath could be hundreds of thousands.

People like you always love to pick and chose your views. And mainly there's little thought too them and you can't actually back them up with decent facts.

Yes I would agree with that Vivian

LondonGirls - have you got a link to properties that have been "given away by RBKC to developers" yet please? You seemed very certain of that in your earlier post.

LondonGirls
A. You could of applied for a council flat. No I couldn't. I asked once to see how available they were and I was told it would be 14 years before I ever had a chance of getting one, that I would always be pushed to the back of the queue, that immigrants automatically get more points, and that to remain on the queue I had to stay in the area and turn down every possibility of higher earning or bettering myself through work. So, when you said these "poor people" had to pay £200/w, you have no idea how lucky these people were, whilst the rest of us pay £350 - 700/pw for even a basic flat in the same area.

B. K&C council takes on average £15 million in rent more than it spends. Than it spends on what? Takes in what from where? You need to be more specific in your claims.

C. It means the council should me putting that surplus (for want of a better word) into more affordable housing. For the THIRD TIME LondonGirls, where do you want K&C to put "surplus", whatever that might be, which plots of land, who will finance the building, who will get to live there, what do you mean by affordable, etc etc? All the questions about detail behind your posts and demands which you don't answer.

I don’t know how much more I can explain it A lot more, believe me, a lot more.

I think somebody has been reading Momentum propaganda!

Rebeccaslicker - I said land not property’s,
Sorry cannot post link at the mo , you could probably just google it,
Most London boroughs do it some even end up paying the developer with a promise of 2% affordable that then never materialises

Not read the whole thread but it does not matter who they are or where they come from any person/family should, in the Grenfell situation or otherwise be allocated a home in direct proportion to their direct needs. (not wants).

I was told it would be 14 years before I ever had a chance of getting one

...yes, and, Franklin? Friend of mine in that area shared a single room (and a bed) with her daughter and didn't get a flat until her daughter was 10. Long waits are normal. You aren't being persecuted by being told you'd have a long wait. Plenty of the people you so despise in council housing had to wait that long.

that immigrants automatically get more points
Under what rule/law?
Because I have looked at the social housing policies of dozens of LAs and not ONE had an enhanced category for immigrants.
In fact you have to be resident in the country for five years before you are eligible to apply for housing. Most LAs have a two year rule on top of that.

Anyone who bothered to look even briefly at SH policy would know that. So you either didn't bother or you are being deliberately inflammatory.

K&C council takes on average £15 million in rent more than it spends.

By law councils have to re-invest any surpluses made on rent back into its social housing. It’s ring-fenced and cannot subsidise other Council Services or reduce the Council Tax.

Cathf i did not ask for your thread to be taken down. Its not something i would do because it gives ppl like you too much oppurtunity to gaslight later on.

As for the intentionally ignorant posters on here.... this inquiry will prove that it’s the council tenants who have been subsidising K&C council to the tune of millions

Firstly, how on earth do you know this! Secondly, RBKC’s auditors would have to have been in cahoots as the legally ring-fenced Housing Revenue Account would have to have been plundered, and RBKC would have had to deliberately falsify their accounts! I haven’t got time, but if you read their accounts, they would demonstrate what I’ve said.

I think there is an awful lot of emotive nonsense being bandied about on this thread now.
Londongirl, I am sure you believe what you read, but where are you reading it? It doesn't sound like a balanced opinion at all, more like the stuff on left wing propaoganda websites. Your perogative of course, but I do wonder why left-wing bias seems to be acceptable on here, but right-wing (DM) not so.

If the houses with gardens arent there then you cant have what doesnt exist. However i disagree with the Hillsborough tactics being employed here.
Another sinister side effect of Grenfell is what is happening to disabled tenants across the country.

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/15690074.90_year_old_warned_housing_bosses_could_confiscate_her___39_fire_hazard__39__mobility_scooter/

www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/tough-new-rules-mobility-scooters-362201

www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=4082

I agree Helena, but some on this thread seem to think these houses can be magicked (is that a word?!) out of thin air.
As a matter of interest, what is your opinion on where/how these tenants can be rehoused? I know we have clashed in the past, but I am genuinely interested to find out how you (very pro-tenant) think this crisis could be handled? As far as I can see, there is no solution available.

Leaving cladding up after telling a tenant they cant have a disability scooter in the building.

www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=4246

cathf I live in a one bedroom flat and im happy enough (apart from my HA) threatening to "confiscate" my DHS disability scooter on the 21 Dec. Goodwill to all men eh? ) But i dont have children so to me a garden is not a necessity. Im sorry but i tend to take whats in the Daily Mail with a huge pinch of salt. My dad reads it so i get the occasional glance whenever im at my parents.

To me a warm comfortable home would take priority over a garden But PTSD will be a factor here so they should not be made to take a flat in a tower block.

OldPony you do realise that is everyone "progresses themselves" out of essential low paid work, the country will grind to a halt? Bins wouldn't get emptied, shops wouldn't be staffed, patients would be stranded and graves wouldn't be dug.

Do please expand on this societal vision of yours.