Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

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Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

No idea, I'm not a hypothetical mind reader. May depend on if they are overcrowded or under occupying, or need adaptations.

How are we supposed to guess what a hypothetical person would "want" Fit?

Social housing can't be run on "wants" anyway.

Well, the council high rises I've been in tend to have lifts that smell of piss or don't work, and are really badly designed so they feel very unsafe.

Can I ask a question: if a 3-bed house was gutted by fire, what sort of housing would the tenants want to be re-homed to?

I don't understand your question. If my house burned down, my insurance company would be liable to rehome me in the short, medium and long-term.

Can I ask a question: if a 3-bed house was gutted by fire, what sort of housing would the tenants want to be re-homed to?

I don't understand your question. If my house burned down, my insurance company would be liable to rehome me in the short, medium and long-term.

The insurance company, or liable party, would have to provide alternative accommodation to a similar standard

I am so gobsmacked at the idea that the council have bought 300 homes (although how, for £236m?!) that I don't actually believe that. The guardian have been fairly inaccurate in previous reporting. If I was buying 2 homes a day everyday in such a small area I would've crashed the local market. It doesn't stack up

My point was to those who are suggesting that it is wrong that Grenfell tenants should be offered, or expected to accept, accommodation in high-rise flats after having experienced a fire. Anyone who has experienced a fire will need re-housing, and I'm not sure if the same argument would apply to low-rise building.

Ylvamoon Mon 11-Dec-17 12:52:10
"Why don't the Grenfall residents get "like for like"? They were happy to live in a flat - why the sudden change?"

Well Ylvamoon in that case im sure you will agree that they should also be getting the same tenancy/tenancies Like for like right?????!!!!!!! But a Grenfell resident who has just been on Channel 4 news has said that this isnt the case.

Tbh fit those high rises in the cities you mention (and particularly Barbican which is nothing but a spectacular shit hole 😭) and justs expensive due to location. The only reason to build a high rise is to squash more flats in and make more money. They're no more desirable in New York than north Kensington.

They're no more desirable in New York than north Kensington.

You don't think a high-rise apartment overlooking Central Park is desirable?

Why should the Grenfell residents get housing priority over, say, people who have been sleeping rough for months or people who are living in B&B accommodation for years? There are lots of people without homes, and its a national disgrace. I don't see why one group of people can be placed above all the others though. They've been through a tragedy, but presumably so have the people sleeping rough

Not as desirable as a house with a garden next to Central Park, no.

It's just marketing to make you believe you're buying luxury. That you might be able to buy a but of what the person in the town house with the garden has. But the value is all in the area.
Believe me, I do it 😭

There are plenty of people who don't want gardens. Just more upkeep.

Lots of projecting and assumptions on here.

Grenfell tower actually had amazing views and even better can be found at trellick. Are they desirable? Not really. On balance, cheaper and less desirable than a comparable flat in the area that isn't on the 20th floor.

However if you're talking about a luxury penthouse at the shard that she clearly a different kettle of fish isn't it? You know that.

So, you're friends, neighbours or even family have been killed in a tower block fire, and you managed to get out. Would you want to ever live in a high rise again? I wouldn't.

Your, sorry!

Caz So your friends, neighbours or even family have been killed in a 3-bed-house-with-a-garden fire, and you managed to get out. Would you ever want to live in a house again?

That's my point.

No, you don't get the point. It's easier to escape from a two storey house than the 20th floor of a tower block!

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So, you're friends, neighbours or even family have been killed in a tower block fire, and you managed to get out. Would you want to ever live in a high rise again? I wouldn't."

But they're not being offered towers again are they?

I don't think, pre Grenfell, many people knew the reality of fire safety in a tower. No excusing the cladding issue at Grenfell (although obviously this was subsequently found to be commonly used ) but your chances of escaping from a tower fire have never been good. And I think the only people who realised that were the landlord, fire service ans residents. The general public haven't given it a second thought.

An awful lot of London social housing is low rise flats, so framing this as "high rise v houses with gardens" is inaccurate.

Absolutely.

Some of the estates with low rise flats are awful too, but at least you might escape a fire easier.

a number of families (especially those with grown up children) are applying now for more than one home

Is that within the usual rules regarding entitlement to housing? I wouldn't have thought so, but could well be wrong ...