Shocked at colleague vaping in the office

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Just that really. I think it's selfish, irresponsible and rude.

I work in several offices as I'm freelance, thankfully not very often at this particular workplace. I know that vaping is banned in another department of the same company so one would assume the ban applies throughout all departments.

Obviously the rest of the team are turning a blind eye to it. Perhaps because the individual concerned has a level of seniority.

I do not accept that vaping is "safe". Too little is known about it to say that definitively. In fact, some studies have indicated that there are health risks associated with vaping:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vaping-with-nicotine-is-heart-risk-r5tfssgt7

www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/concerns-explode-over-new-health-risks-vaping

Of course, some might say that if I don't like it I could stop accepting work from that employer but I imagine that I will be confronted by the same problem at other workplaces.

...into the wind, Dallas, into the wind!

There's a bloke who gets on my train every morning at 0723. He stands at the far end of the platform vaping huge clouds of, vape?, into the air. He always gets in my carriage and there's a 50% chance he'll sit at 'my' table of four as the train is pretty empty still then. He smells very strongly of vanilla.

To those saying that ecigarettes pose no risk, once again please see the scientific evidence to the contrary that I've posted already. Or do you simply choose to ignore it?

Anyway, New York has banned vaping in public places so it's just a matter of time before the UK follows suit.

None of which pose a passive risk.

That's not entirely true though is it? Theres not been enough studies on them to decide on their overall risk.
Source: DFs cardiology consultant when he had his MI.

I'm sure I read recently that there has been a link between vaping and a condition called 'popcorn lung'. Can't remember where I saw it though.

@JonSnowsWife

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23033998/

"RESULTS: Comparisons of pollutant concentrations were made between e-cigarette vapor and tobacco smoke samples. Pollutants included VOCs, carbonyls, PAHs, nicotine, TSNAs, and glycols. From these results, risk analyses were conducted based on dilution into a 40 m³ room and standard toxicological data.

Non-cancer risk analysis revealed "No Significant Risk" of harm to human health for vapor samples from e-liquids (A-D). In contrast, for tobacco smoke most findings markedly exceeded risk limits indicating a condition of "Significant Risk" of harm to human health. With regard to cancer risk analysis, no vapor sample from e-liquids A-D exceeded the risk limit for either children or adults. The tobacco smoke sample approached the risk limits for adult exposure.

CONCLUSIONS: For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed"

Exactly deckoff my asthmatic lungs don't care that you're vaping a cherry fag - they still don't like it.

I just don't get why you'd trust it. It's so new, why take the risk?

For smokers it's obviously a huge improvement and that's definitely a great thing. BUT just because it's a reduced risk for you doesn't mean that people who've never smoked should have to take the risk that vaping doesn't cause any issues, surely! So don't vape inside, in your car, on a train, or anywhere where those who don't want to inhale it would have no choice.

Aldi put up "no smoking and vaping" signs this week.

over invested in Aldi generally

My office has banned it (very reasonable) I think many workplaces do tbh

I won’t have my friend to stay because I know she ignores requests from other people not to vape in their homes as soon as they leave the room. I don’t want the stinky cloud that she has in her bedroom in my house thanks! No I haven’t told her why, it very rarely comes up as she lives close enough that I can see her other ways.

I know it’s better than smoking. But it aggravates my asthma and I just don’t want it in my home. My ex vaped and was much more considerate.

Oh Op, I am an emergency services worker...a nice cushy office job and I wouldnt give a rats arse if the lot of them were vaping.

And your evidence is a bit pants too. But you will never accept otherwise so...meh..

We’ve got two vapers at work, neither of whom vape in the office. I checked with our MD whether he wanted the smoking policy updated but we decided to monitor it at the moment and review if it becomes an issue. It’s vile and would cause a lot of complaints in our office.

Vaping isn’t new, it’s 10 years old (at least).

There have been 100s upon 100s of studies of it, but people just ignore them.

Cloud vaping, yeah, I can imagine it might set off an asthmatic. But bog standard vaping is highly unlikely to set anyone off.

I have ‘sneaky’ vaped in many settings, including places with sensitive smoke alarms - never been caught, never caused anyone an issue.

I wouldn’t vape openly somewhere that it is not allowed, but that’s because I’m not a dick. Some people are, and they’d be dicks with or without vaping.

The 'scientific evidence' you linked just demonstrated possible connections to the heath of the vaper. Thats their choice.

The saddo sucky sticks are a big improvement as far as I am concerned as they don't stink nearly as badly as the coffin nails. Just a whiff of nasty cheap perfume compared to the real dog turd thing.

But no, not in the office. Go outside, druggie.

I’m allowed to vape in my work place. Me and my colleagues take full advantage of this. Most people don’t mind - it covers up the smell of “man down” and dead rats.... would much rather smell “perfume” than that!

For smokers it's obviously a huge improvement and that's definitely a great thing. BUT just because it's a reduced risk for you doesn't mean that people who've never smoked should have to take the risk that vaping doesn't cause any issues, surely! So don't vape inside, in your car, on a train, or anywhere where those who don't want to inhale it would have no choice.

This.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't vape - but why can't those who vape in public places be considerate of non-smokers/non-vapers and just do it outside?

To the poster who said that "my" research was pants, it isn't "my research" it's the research of scientists. Are you a scientist? On what basis do you conclude that the research is, as you put it, "pants"?

The 'scientific evidence' you linked just demonstrated possible connections to the heath of the vaper. Thats their choice.

But it's not the choice of those hapless souls having it blown into their faces.

I am asthmatic by the way, and have had lung disease, so can do without the extra pollutants. Once again, all I am saying is that vapers should have consideration for the rest of us, not that they shouldn't vape!!!

Hmmm, I wonder if I would get dumped if i referred to DP's horrible stinky vape as a "saddo sucky stick" 🤔🤔🤔

Really? Where do you work OP? In a hipster-inspired working men's club?

But no, not in the office. Go outside, druggie
Seriously

Vladimir, I can't say on here without outing myself. All I will say is that you are spookily insightful.

There has to be a distinction made between smoking and vaping. I'm a vaper and I don't want to stand with smokers - I quit smoking and the risks of second hand smoke (and the smell) are proven. Also it doesn't help people switch from smoking to vaping, and you aren't protecting them from potential harm. Realistically that could be something like smokers smoke at X area, if you vape then it's anywhere in the car park

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaping-in-public-places-advice-for-employers-and-organisations

More here - "we cannot call for legislation based on potential risks, when there is currently no evidence of harm"

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534585/Report-on-PHE-conversation-on-use-of-e-cigarettes-in-public-places.pdf

Cancer research
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-us/cancer-news/press-release/2017-02-06-e-cigarettes-safer-than-smoking-says-long-term-study

I'm sure I read recently that there has been a link between vaping and a condition called 'popcorn lung'. Can't remember where I saw it though. A prime example of someone somewhere putting up a really, really unconnected bit of research - about a totally different type of fluid than you get in the UK, totally different exposure, amount, timescale etc etc and everyone and his dog being scared by it - non smokers in particular!

What is needed is a study that shows that vaping is less risky than standing in the street breathing... the only reason we don't have that is that the current multi cohort, longitudinal study is still being done!

That and no one who scream about vaping is at all interested in the definition of relative risk... they just see 'risk' and freak out!