What will happen if food poverty and homelessness keep growing in the UK?

[AbsentmindedWoman]

I think it's generally accepted that food prices are rising, and will rise a fair bit more next year. I'm hoping that costs aren't completely insane, though. Does anyone know how much they are predicted to rise?

If they go up by much, surely food poverty and food bank usage is just going to keep going up?

What will happen to homeless people also? There is honestly a shocking amount of people on the street in central London. Many argue that a lot are beggars, and actually go home at night - but that's still not great? That people are cobbling together a living from begging on the streets?

I feel it's so easy to fall into horrific destitution these days - obviously, times over the course of human history were far more brutal and it's still vastly better for us living here in the UK today. I get that. Still, though, the world feels like a kind of scary place to be in many ways right now. As a chronically ill woman with no assets such as property, I feel an undercurrent of vulnerability all of the time. Maybe I need better anxiety medication

What do you think will happen to people in poverty in the UK over the next few years? Will things improve somehow?

Used this link because the photos show just how huge the house is.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4509994/45m-lottery-winner-couple-house-disrepair/

koloh

Hope you don't mind me asking but where/what area do you live? It sounds like a good place to live, but I expect it is expensive to live there?

I have seen homelessness increase so much in my hometown. It makes me angry as they are treated so poorly. Someone had an eviction noticed slapped on their tent because it was in the town centre. Talk about kicking someone when they are down. You can just talk to people and ask them!

Stop allowing so many foreigners in, sending so much money abroad and focus on our own starving homeless people.

Stop allowing so many foreigners in, sending so much money abroad and focus on our own starving homeless people.

Still no cure for stupidity yet then?

In my village, they welcome everyone. I live in a rented cottage I could never afford to buy. The landlady owns five other houses in the village. She inherited three of them, bought two. She is neither scum nor socially irresponsible. She keeps rent low compared to other houses, she deals with any maintenance repairs the same day and she is flexible. Don't tar all BTL landlords with the same brush.

Extreme poverty in the US is being investigated by the UN.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/un-extreme-poverty-america-special-rapporteur

I've been concerned about the UK going the same route as the US. The UK was so progressive and admirable- the NHS, and council homes to name two wonderful things to be proud of, which provided dignity. It's being slowly destroyed. It makes me very sad to watch.

I really believe the current government want a return to Victorian times, or worse.

The only party with a realistic chance of forming a national government (under our shitty outdated electoral system) that would have the power to address this is Labour, yet we are told Corbyn is a dangerous subversive because he has some aspirations to address poverty.

Agree with this. I think people are beginning to wake up to the fact that the media in this country and not working in their best interests but rather have been tasked with representing those of the richest and most powerful -

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/30/paul-dacre-theresa-may-private-dinner-daily-mail-editor-no-10

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-paul-dacre_uk_5a040795e4b03deac08b2d85

We need to build a vast amount of social housing IMO labour are absolutely right about that. We should be training British young people in building skills so they can get decently paid jobs building houses that they can live in and start families in raising the birth rate so that we don't have to be importing workers from abroad.

In my city of Glasgow until a few months ago there were foreign beggars on every street corner in the city centre. Most of the homeless that you actually see sleeping on the street are your good old fashioned junkies, jakies and nocare in the community cases.

I don't think there will be any major civil unrest, the majority of ordinary people will just sigh and get on with being a bit poorer and working hard for less. The closest we've had to a revolution in mainland Britain in probably hundreds of years was Brexit and that was because the government gave the people a vote they thought they would win. That said I imagine London will be popping next summer.
The truth is life for the majority of people in Britain has always been shit. There have been times in the past when its been really shit and there have been times when its been a bit shit like toothache. Stock up on paracetamol everybody

The thing that puts me off about Labour is I find them divisive. Their in hoc to identity politics which I think is dividing the country, women against men, BAME vs white (I'm sick of hearing the likes of Diane Abbot telling me to check my privilege just because her ancestor's were slaves while the worst thing that happened to my mine was not being able to get a chippy for a while) Cis against trans. When we should be joining together to try a build a fairer society for all.

I'm sick of hearing the likes of Diane Abbot telling me to check my privilege just because her ancestor's were slaves while the worst thing that happened to my mine was not being able to get a chippy for a while

This is weird.

So somehow Dianne Abbott speaking of slavery balances out the terrible social problems?

I was confused too during the tower fire when people criticised Lily Allen for speaking. People were cremated alive, the words of a singer do not compare.

Housing is a persons biggest cost. It is a sobering figure that 8 out of 10 new build properties are bought by landlords. Rentierism has become the UK's biggest industry. Landlords are inately greedy, they know the rents will be paid by the taxpayer through Hb ultimately, which stokes prices higher. The housing bubble has impoverished this country, it needs to end, and soon.

The thing that puts me off about Labour is I find them divisive.

As opposed to the Tories, who have in no way encouraged any of this divisive rhetoric's If Theresa May takes any more u-turns on policies her party hasn't thought through she'll be auditioning for the National Ballet next with all that pirhoeuetting.

*their not this.

The Tories are the Tories they pretty much do what it says on the tin while there is an element on the left that want to completely erase our society, history and culture and start again regardless of what the public actually think. And if you disagree then your a bigot and you'll get blackballed.
My point about Diane Abbot was that she and others like her are always harping on about "white privilege" as if all white people in Britain were living lives like something out of a PG Woodhouse novel. They weren't life for 90% of people in Britain was shit. The whole "white privilege" to a degree "male privilege", "Straight privilege" "Cis privilege" and "insert privilege here" is dividing people into competing interest groups rather than working together for the betterment of all. That's why labour aren't further ahead in the polls in IMO.

Buy to let landlords are a plague on society. People are buying ex social housing stock and then renting them back to people paid for by the government.

I think there might be a revolution. If the Torres get in at the next election there will be a revolution to overthrow them. If Corbyn gets in there will be a revolution because the results of his policies don't benefit everyone quickly enough or aren't the cure all that they were promised to be.

Tories not Torres

And if she sold those 5 homes...and 95% of all the other BTL sold theirs. What do you think would happen then. Supply and demand, basic economics, the price would fall. And if we stopped anyone who wasn’t a first time buyer resident in the UK from buying new build homes? And if we stopped landlords from buying affordable homes and only sold them to families who were going to live in them?

What do you think would happen then....

BTLers are scum. Making money or investing for the future off the backs of government money.

They should be shamed in the street and thankfully the tide is turning and they are.

I get that people hate landlords and they are the first group of people who would be dragged into the street for a beating if the country revolts.

But if landlords are forced to sell. Who would buy the now empty homes? The banks won’t give anyone a mortgage

Haven't had a chance to read full thread yet...

The block I see to there being any kind of mass populous revolutions is that, many of us who are currently working but not wealthy, can see the problems, and how easily it could begin to affect us, but are in too vulnerable a positions ourselves to push for change.

The government and the wealthy (banks etc) have created a situation where many of us have such large mortgages and other outgoings (car leases/ loans, credit cards etc.) that striking for change is not an option any more, many couldn't survive a month on strike, the government would not have to call peoples bluff for long! At the same time many professions now require a squeaky clean criminal record check, and since the police/ government seem quick to criminalise protests, that makes them too big a risk for many to participate.

So we sit, and we do nothing, and our terms and conditions are watered down, and pay rises are so poor that in real terms they amount to pay cuts, and the rich just get richer....and I don't know how we change things.

Eryri1981

You are spot on, the government has engineered a population that are unable to fight against them.

On top on your points

The population has been dis-armed only the government have access to weapons.

Eyri - I think a large enough group of people will not sit and do nothing and will whip up enough revolutionary fervour to get it started.
To begin with there will be hopes and ideals, but I imagine it will eventually become like the French and Russian Revolutions and the leaders will turn on each other.
The very rich will flee in their private jets and helicopters - unless the pilots join the revolution - and they will probably take with them what they can in the form of jewels, valuable paintings etc.
Others will hide what they've got and hope the hiding place isn't discovered.
A Polish family buried their jewellery before fleeing the Russians. They made a map of where it was but after the Iron Curtain came down and the descendants went to look for it they never unearthed it because their grandfather had buried the treasure in glass bottles and as a result metal detectors wouldn't work.
Well that's their story, anyway.

'BTW we don't have a housing crisis - we have a too much economic activity in too few areas crisis. You can easy(ish) find a place to live in an area where there are no jobs."

This is the nub of the problem.

Claims that killing off poor people is some sort of govt policy is just sick fantasy.

Kursk - do you mean literal weapons?
If so, there will probably be other countries who will provide the revolutionaries with weapons - isn't that what happened with the IRA?