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Men appreciating little house on the prairie women

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munkynutts · 27/11/2017 19:57

So my mum (a working woman and bit of a rock n roll character) used to have this massive bug bear about my aunt - my dad's SIL.

She was everything my mum was and wasnt:
She didnt work and spent her time arranging flowers and baking bread
A very warm kind of maternal woman
A strong sense of family, her life revolved around family
Very kind of prim and beautifully mannered

She was a very nice woman. So is my mum, but very different.

So anyway, my mum and her got on really well, but it used to infuriate my mum that my dad found so much to appreciate about his SIL that was seemingly so opposite to her.

I kind of thought "okay mum, just chill" until I noticed MY BF doing the same.

He has this one friend whose wife is so sweet, she's a nursery teacher and just loves her job, caring for small children and doing fingerpainting and decorating her home with charmingly rustic stuff shes made. Exactly like my mum, I cant help but think - alright then, why didnt you just shack up with a woman who does fabulous things with conkers and makes her own jams then, if you're all that into it?

Dear MNers, dont freak out: I think both my mum and I get it. Our men are with us for a reason: because they appreciate our divey, slatternly, uncouth ways and spiky charms. We get it - it doesnt mean thats what they actually want.

But I'd be curious to hear if any of you have also found this with your DPs?

OP posts:
BMW6 · 27/11/2017 22:58

Oh dear, seriously crossed wires going on here.....

Unfinishedkitchen · 27/11/2017 22:59

@OP do you just simply type out every thought that enters your head and turn it into a new thread? You've got three on the go that I've seen in the last couple of days and I'm at work for 8 hours a day and not on here so there are probably more.

You're declaring that you use tissues paper instead of sanitary pads on one thread, slagging off marriage even though you've never been married on another thread and now here you are banging on about Little House on The Prarie women. Seriously what's up?

3silverfeathers · 27/11/2017 23:01

Ma equals ma Ingalls, the bitch that gave birth to me I referred to as mother.

Mary, ma ingalls could have met them with the shot gun. As far as I remember pa was keen to maintain good relations. Appreciate the apology, by the way.

crunched · 27/11/2017 23:04

These women were not stay at home mums they were hard working and practical

Think you'll find many SAHMs still have these qualities.

HateIsNotGood · 27/11/2017 23:08

Maybe OP is on holiday? But I do rather appreciate her 'musings' simply because I tend to think these things myself.

I recall that many of my relationships with men started out with them really appreciating my independent, feisty yet kind, where only 'fools tread' person. Only to then try and grind that down and turn me into 'Jam Lady'. Although I like making jam and also lots of Prairie Woman things (like chopping wood, etc) just why are you with me?

Needless to say - it's been a long, long time since I've had a 'partnering'.

franktheskank · 27/11/2017 23:24

I think women do it too, I used to, my ex husband is quiet and nerdy and intelligent and has a dry sense of humour, I’m not sure how I ended up marrying him as Dh is so much more my type, big, strong, muscles, can and will fix anything, spoils me rotten and is a gentlemen.

I think a lot of men like the stereotypical buxom woman who bakes and makes the house looks nice. It’s not just about staying at home, you can work and do those things too, it’s more about someone who looks after you.

I’m a maternal type who cooks and bakes and makes the house look lovely and do crafty things with the mods but I am also scatty and loud and own three businesses and I own the house that me, Dh and our 7 children live in outright Grin

blueshoes · 27/11/2017 23:29

A woman who keeps a clean tidy beautiful home for her family running smoothly with good food and looks presentable must be highly organised. Not flowers and hearts.

franktheskank · 27/11/2017 23:30

Crafty things with the kids not the mods 🤦🏻‍♀️

Gowgirl · 27/11/2017 23:38

I grew up being informed that my mum was not a domestic in her words.
Im a sahm, who volounteers at the local church keeps a clean tidy house, cooks from scratch and heaven forbid.....irons!
I expect its a great disapointment to her but it doesnt happen by magic!
Ive had to explain to a friend whos a bit scatty its down to routine and a calender and i still often drop the balls....that is what wine is for!

MsHarveySpecter · 27/11/2017 23:48

I think most men want someone who interests them, approves of them, loves them and wants to have lots of sex with them. I think also in an ideal world they'd like this same woman to sort out their life and house and children a la little house on the prairie type mum but also have her own magic money so they're not the sole breadwinner.

snackerextraordinaire · 28/11/2017 00:01

Goose1964 "These women were not stay at home mums they were hard working and practical"
I think many women who stay at home are hard working and practical. Not all SAHMs sip lattes, go shopping and flick through magazines all day.

JacintaJones · 28/11/2017 00:11

Hilary, is that you?

LivingInTheSeventies · 28/11/2017 00:45

@munkynutts I really enjoyed your post and it articulated how I feel (but didn’t realize!)

VeryPunny · 28/11/2017 07:19

Back to the OP, I think subconsciously the SAHM baking caring archetype is very non threatening, which might explain it's appeal. If men are generally raised to think that alpha protecting roles are to what they should aspire, seeing a woman do all the go getting hunter gathering and not giving two fucks could be quite undermining.

RagingFemininist · 28/11/2017 08:20

But why is Ma seen as the perfect ‘woman/mother’?

You can only have that discussion if somehow we all have integrating as idea of what a woman is supposed to be. And yes that includes backing cakes and keeping a house clean as well as looking after the dcs.
Oh and yes chopping wood too but not building a house or becoming the Mayor of the small town etc....

Fwiw H will refer to his mum as a SAHM. She was/is a farmer, was spending a huge amount of time working hard in the farm (as well as for other small farms around them).
But she was the ‘homemaker’ (aka the slave in the house) and that’s what H remembers her for.

I am finding it ever so interesting how women accomplishments are always related to being a homemaker but anything else outside is just forgotten about.

I would much prefer to finally see the acknowledgement that we are all different and that success has different meaning for all of us. (And that being a ‘better woman’ also means a very different tg for different people)

makeourfuture · 28/11/2017 08:41

Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Soviet sniper - 309 kills.

Nickname: Lady Death

littlebluefox · 28/11/2017 10:52

I recall that many of my relationships with men started out with them really appreciating my independent, feisty yet kind, where only 'fools tread' person. Only to then try and grind that down and turn me into 'Jam Lady'. Although I like making jam and also lots of Prairie Woman things (like chopping wood, etc) just why are you with me?

Yeah this ^ DH has moments like this. He fell for me as a feisty, outspoken, spirited, ambitious rock chick, with a loud opinion, and who doesn't do 'cook from scratch, or bake cakes.'

Yet he moans (now and again,) that it would be nice to be married to someone quiet and demure, who would bake a nice cake from scratch for him. I just tell him he married me knowing who and what I was, and he knows what he can do if he's not happy. Hmm

And as I said, I could say similar about him; occasionally I think 'wouldn't it be nice to be with a man who is a high flying professional on £300K instead of a low level management man who is on £24K?' Sounds mean? Maybe, but no worse than what he says.

I have many good qualities; I love my family, I do actually do more housework than him (my choice,) I work hard and earn more than him, I am kind and thoughtful and generous, I am an animal lover, and I am a good wife. He could do a lot worse.

Back to the OP, I think subconsciously the SAHM baking caring archetype is very non threatening, which might explain it's appeal. If men are generally raised to think that alpha protecting roles are to what they should aspire, seeing a woman do all the go getting hunter gathering and not giving two fucks could be quite undermining.

Exactly. Men don't want women to be the 'alpha' in the marriage. I mean God forbid she ends up more dominant and successful than him!

I think most men want someone who interests them, approves of them, loves them and wants to have lots of sex with them. I think also in an ideal world they'd like this same woman to sort out their life and house and children a la little house on the prairie type mum but also have her own magic money so they're not the sole breadwinner.

I agree with this too. I have known a number of men over the years, who want a little wifey to cook and clean and do all the domestic shit, and childcare and 'tedious' shit, but they still want her to be earning money.

A friend of mine had 2 kids, 20 and 18 years ago, (1997 and 1999,) and after each child, within several weeks, her husband was pecking her head about returning to work, saying there's no way they can do without her salary, and maternity pay is not enough.

So she went back when each child was only 3 months old, (3 days one week, 4 the next and so on - but still seemed to have as much work to do as her 'full time' colleagues.) AND she still did everything else; the childcare, the housework, the cooking, the cleaning, the shopping etc.

She was run ragged, and when the kids were 5 and 7, (in 2004,) she had a nervous breakdown. Her DH had no sympathy, and was fuming when she was written off sick for 3 months, and was on less pay for much of that time. He said if they lose the house, it will be 'down to her...'

Unsurprisingly, she is not with that turd of a husband of hers anymore. She left and went to live with her mother and took the 2 kids in 2006, (when the kids were 7 and 9.) She is now in a with a much better man (has been since 2009,) and her DH is living with his parents (has been since they split over 10 years ago.)

3silverfeathers · 28/11/2017 15:12

The whole little house ma ingalls thing seems to be confusing you Brits.

You don't have a clue about the pioneer lifestyle, hardships, the weather, wildlife, terrain, the vastness of their travels or extreme deprivation.

Nothing wrong with being a sahm. That was not what she was.

She pulled her weight and cared about her family. She was decent, modest, raised the kids to her and pa ingalls belief system, and relatively uncomplaining. What guy wouldnt want a wife like that.

Parisa78 · 28/11/2017 15:53

littlebluefox - I agree with your posts. In my experience, a woman is more likely to look after her DH if he makes her feel valued and looked after too. For instance, if DH had expected and guilt-tripped me to go back to work at some enforced point after DC (as in your friend's case), it would have been a case of Deliveroo or "sort yourself out" these last 25 years. No woman will waste her energy on a man who doesn't reciprocate in his own way.

Parisa78 · 28/11/2017 15:54

Sorry 15 years (though at times it seems longer).

grannytomine · 28/11/2017 16:19

If my husband ever used to moan about the state of the house (often a tip as I worked and had 4 kids) or about dinner (frequently out of a packet) I used to tell him those perfect housewife types were all frigid and he would change his mind.

Apologies to perfect housewives everywhere but sometimes you have to fight dirty.

InDubiousBattle · 28/11/2017 16:55

Do you actually though granny? Do you have to denegrate other women to make your partner appeciate a meal you've made or pick up after himself?

corythatwas · 28/11/2017 17:32

Dh is very good at jam making. He bakes bread too and does all sorts of nurturing things. Or maybe he just likes the taste of fresh bread.

Never understood why the world would have to be divided into brave breadwinners on the one hand, and selfless homemakers on the other. Why can't we all just take turns?

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