Measles in 2017

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Just saw a tweet by NHS about outbreaks in Leeds and Liverpool ...in people who haven't had the MMR vaccine.

Why is this happening in 2017 Britain?

I know why, but why?!!! I just can't get my head around the no vaccine logic 😐?

I'm worried about my 8 month old and the rest of the population who are immuno compromised ... I grew up in a "third world country" and the last I heard of measles was in the 90s. Chicken pox is still a fairly common illness there, but not measles. Vaccines are non-negotiable and all children must be before entering school... as a "third world country" resources aren't there to manage an outbreak of any sort, hence the policy.

Is this a developed country problem? Or is it that we've forgotten what these diseases are really like?

They werent naturally dimishing though were they, where dou get your info from.

I Googled her name. This was the first hit...

I had mumps when I was around four months old so I don't really remember it. I vaguely remember measles and chicken pox - chicken pox is more memorable as it's left me with a few spots which remain white at all times, obvious when the rest is tanned. Being brought up in the Arabian Gulf, we had cholera jags twice a year and I remember having a chest x-ray for TB checking. That can't have been the most reliable method as, when I was at school in the UK, I ended up not having to have the BCG because I tested so overwhelmingly positive for antibodies or whatever that little six pronged stamp checked for; you could see it for decades afterwards. My dad's friend had a full medical for work and was found to have TB scars in his lungs; apparently it can present as a really bad cold or flu in otherwise healthy people and you may never know that you have had TB - something to bear in mind if you haven't had the jag in childhood and visit countries where TB is still around. It's making a comeback in some areas of the UK apparently. Also, being pre-MMR, I had the rubella jag at around 12.

Someone I know lost their son at six weeks old thanks to an unvaccinated child next door. Ironically, his twin sister only survived because she was still in intensive care, not having been expected to live.

www.whale.to/c/DissolvingIllusions-Polio.pdf

This is pretty comprehensive, to say the least.

And I used to work in the web industry-do you know how easy it is to get certain pages to the top of a Google search?

Whale is nonsense and was discredoted years ago. Suzanne Humphries is a homeopath, why would you take her seriously.

sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

If you actually click on the link it merely takes you to an excerpt from her actual, physical book. I just think it's important to look at all aspects of an issue before making a decision, even ones that people might consider irrelevant or even silly.

I have read this. And many other things like this. Have you considered the other side of this debate? If you have, fair enough.

I'm not going near Whale

I've considered it but haven't seen a single peer reviewed published paper that agrees with the anti vaccine stance - so I am on the side of science.

too many pages but just saying I've been vaccinated 4 times for measles (childhood) checked when I went into nurses training titre low (revaccinated) checked when I got my first job in a nursery (titre low) and then they tried again to bring my titre up....guess what for me the vaccination just doesn't do much.
I've also had chicken pox 3 times...

Dear all, I have vaccinated my children because I can. I am protecting them against horrible illnesses hopefully! as I am aware that that not everyone who have a vaccine is protected but then I hope the herd protection will kick in.
I have two autistic children both of whom I can look back and see where autistic long before the MMR vaccine. And my husband and brother are well before the MMR and are both autistic.
would I rather an autistic child than a dead one? Yes
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Anti Vaxers all live in the luxury of modern medicine, good News is because of their stance, if we have a pandemic they will be naturally selected, bad news is their innocent children with no choice will die or have life long complications.
As will our children who cannot be vaccinated or for whatever reason the vaccine does not work.

Ps something not working on the odd occasion does not make it totally defective

Right, pig farmer obvs knows more about vaccination than researchers and doctors.... 😂

Sheesh.

Again, the link was just to a book excerpt written by someone who used to work as a doctor. Not being contentious, but it's not the ex pig farmer's comments.

Yes, some people can suffer complications from measles, that's undeniable. However, the vast majority of people who contract wild measles in the first world do not die from it. I think the ever prevailing argument that it's either vaccines or death isn't really a helpful one.

Madameedam
Do some proper research rather than listening to quacks. The likes of Suzanne Humphries and Whaleto are easily debunked. I tjink Whaleto was one of the earliest people to be banned from wiki because of the nonsense he pists

Blogs like Leftbrainrightbrain, sciencebasedmedicine, respectful insolence will link directly to the orig8nal research and not cherry picked quackery.

Also the iom has published books on adverse reactions on vaccines which are freely available on the interernet and easy to read.

measles risks

Worrying for parents of babies. HopIng our appointment comes through soon.

The truth is, I am not wholly anti-vaccine. I think that some vaccines are incredibly beneficial and, indeed, crucial. However, I would say that the problem lies in the fact that the vast majority of people, laymen and medical professionals, simply cannot think critically about this issue. They have preconceived ideas about the subject and only read information which supports their existing view. My last post on this subject is that I think everyone could benefit from looking at different sides of the argument with an open mind, pro and anti-vaxxers alike. :)

Madameden
Just because someone used to be a doctor does not make them an immunologist. And yes, that page links to an excerpt of a book, which she presumably sells. I can't help but see it as an exploitative money making scheme.

As it happens I've been studying the attendance records for our village school in the years between 1900 and 1914. I am shocked by how poor the attendance often is. At times it drops below 50%. The school log always gives an explanation and it's generally measles, mumps, chicken pox and scarlet fever. The children who had diphtheria were sent to the local isolation hospital.
I think we've forgotten the effect that these diseases had.

Madameedam
It is peopke who rely on Whale and the likes of SH who are not thinking critical. Comm9n sense and a little bit of history tells you they talk nonsense

I spoke to a woman recently who vaccinated her children behind her husband's back because he didn't support them. Apparently he's "done loads of research on them".
I was surprised to find that he is neither a qualified doctor nor scientist. I would assume the only research worthy of listening to would be by one of either of these professions.

I'm pro vaccine but some would consider me anti vaccine - because I chose to use an alternative schedule (which I tailored to my child with advice from a doctor)

As it happens now my child is school age he's vaccinated against more than most of his peers.

But... I think a problem lies in how effective people believe vaccines are, it's quite evident on this thread that nobody's immune system responds identically to virus or vaccine.

This then leads to one camp saying they don't work

And another declaring they're so effective we would eliminate diseases entirely if everyone just got on board.

Diseases mutate... what used to be a mild childhood illness the majority of the time, can become a regular killer as the disease fights to exist etc

I've experienced family members having whooping cough - repeatedly sent home from hospital because they were vaccinated against it, and lo and behold an outbreak. Finally tested and they're diagnosed with it but stupidly they trusted the "won't be that as you've been vaccinated" line

Vaccines are fantastic... but they won't kill off things altogether, things will mutate or one virus dies out leaving room for some other virus that was previously kept at bay