To think working class people are cleaner than middle class

[LardLizard]

Perhaps the mc people don’t feel they have anything to prove
But bloody heck some of them are scruffy buggers !!

You've been watching too much Big Fat Gypsy Wedding with their spotless caravans op.

Professional people set there own fee, so set it a bit higher & get some staff

I do a job that involves visiting people in their homes, and can honestly say the muckiest and most cluttered houses have belonged to professionals, out of those the muckiest have been teachers. I'm not suggesting all teachers have dirty cluttered houses, it's just an observation. They don't give a shit either, I rarely get an " excuse the mess" type comment 😬

I'm a professional, my cousin is a labourer.

Once I was cleaning my fridge and kitchen cupboards, I had the contents of them scattered everywhere in my kitchen, it was chaos.
Suddenly I realised I was late for the school pick up. I abandoned the bomb site that was my kitchen and dashed out.
In the interim, before my return, my cousin arrived and entertained himself by peering through my kitchen window. When I arrived home he was rubbing his hands with glee, having finally been able to prove the theory that the working class are cleaner than the middle class.
He has broadcast his "discovery" about me to the rest of the family and at every family gathering it is discussed at length.
He and his supporters would never accept that I am generally a good house keeper, despite numerous visits to our house,when everything has been in good order, they prefer to believe the contrary.

I'm middle class. I'm clean and my house is spotless (thanks to a full-time helper).

@Honeybooboo123

The great thing about the middle classes is their complete disregard for what the working classes may think

Wow, looks like this thread is hitting home for some people.

I have to keep my house clean because it's an ugly crumbling council house (with the sofa accessory on the street outside, been there weeks)
If I had a nice big stone house with a beautiful garden it would never look awful and I wouldn't bother so much.
Not that I'm working class. On our estate we are all public school educated eccentrics doncha know.

In my case it's true. Middle class messy family.

Can’tstop, without the helper would you clean the house yourself?

When I work in "posher" areas like parts of north and west London the kids seem to have more crusted on snot and food on their faces, be in more crumpled, mis matched clothes and have more unkempt hair, boys usually have longer hair which is in their eyes. Little girls rarely wear a bobble or pigtails or clips. I think it is a class thing. The clothes are mis matching but it's because its a kind of laid back-ness where parents have nothing to prove and usually they are expensive like polarn o pyret separates or £80 rachel riley dungarees with pasta sauce spilled down the front. Its because money isn't an issue, perhaps?

Then you have working class areas where kids might be in asda or primark clothing but who's parents like them to look presentable and smart, so clothes are chosen to look trendy or cute, little girls have their hair french braided with bows, boys have "smart" short hair cuts, etc

It's hard to explain but I've definitely noticed it

‘Why in areas with a high concentration of social housing are there old sofas/car engines/broken toys/general shit just lobbed in front gardens? No excuse especially as many councils pick up large items of rubbish for free.‘

Not in my area they don’t you have to pay to take large items away. Some estates have the odd free skip but only if you live in certain streets.

Many people on low incomes don’t have a car either to take their stuff to the tip or know someone who can lend a hand.

I live in social housing. I have a washing machine and a couple of chest of drawers outside but as I’m a. Skint I can’t afford to pay the Council to take the larger items atm and b. I’m skint because I’m on the sick from work as I had an accident at work, had an emergency op and can’t drive anyway.

Can you define working, middle and upper class so I know which I fall into? Our house is pretty tidy and clean considering the number of small children.

Probably because we're all out earning and replenishing our coffers. Although it may also be because the kitchen floor will only get dirty again from my mucker boots and the 3 springers, oh and don't forget the shetland pony that lives in the larder and sleeps in little Penelope's bed at night

It could also be because there are more important things in life than polishing your kitchen that Larry down the road installed after he found it 'off the back of a wagon'... because it's just an effing kitchen.

People with immaculate houses either can afford a cleaner or have no life beyond the end of their nose. Thus, middle classes tend to sit quite litterally in the middle.

I don't think you can define class any more in a lot of cases. There's a massive working class/middle class overlap.

I said upthread I was working class. But there are many aspects of me that many people would argue are middle class. I don't fit tidily into either class.

I think the stereotype probably comes from working class people having less money, so taking better care of the things they have in order for them to last longer. So that used to mean plastic on the sofa, no shoes in the house, keeping everything meticulously clean, etc. Not commenting on whether I think it's true or not though!

YANBU. I went to a really strange school. It was incredibly polarized with about half the girls coming from very middle class posh families and the other half (my half) all being very working class.

I was friends with people from both "tribes" but I always hated going to the posh girls' houses for tea because they always seemed grubby, messy and, weirdly, colder compared to my poorer friends whose houses were smaller but spotless.

I was also always amazed at the food the posh girls had in their kitchens. They always seemed comparatively empty and had things that had never crossed our working class threshold like olives, fresh fish and herbs. The smell of basil always reminds me of my friend Emily's house

I actually think there's some truth in this. In my, admittedly statistically insignificant and anecdotal sample of one.

I grew up in a 'middle class' house where my teacher/lecturer parents were far too intellectual and academic to give a shit about keeping the house clean and tidy (but too poor to afford a cleaner). Dusty piles of books everywhere, cat hair on the sofas, piles of clean laundry mixed with dirty in random washing baskets, chipped crockery, plastic bags hung on drawer handles used instead of a bin. It was a similar story at their similarly lofty and intellectual friends' houses. Also, I noticed that my parents and their friends might shell out quite a lot of money on something nice, like a nice car, or big TV, or a nice sofa, and then just let it go to shit. They wouldn't look after their nice things.

They had this sort of attitude that caring about things looking nice was an amusing personality quirk that other people have.

But when I used to go to my mates' houses who lived in the local estate near my school, they were always immaculate. Small, perhaps, but always clean and tidy. I used to wish I lived in a house like theirs instead of a crumbling, draughty, Victorian shit hole. I never invited them back to mine.

As a teen it used to really piss me off. I moved out as soon as I could.

But, as a counter-argument to the OP, DH and I are now vair middle class ourselves and I make sure our house always looks nice.

Why are people still talking about class in this day and age?

Just nasty stereotypes. If you think its wrong to stereotype someone on their ethnicity then you should think its wrong to stereotype someone on the mannerisms or household income.

You might be right, OP.

Working Class People don’t have piles of first editions and esoteric academic texts cluttering the stuffed bookshelves and gathering dust. Because they are all thick and ill-educated oiks. It doesn’t take long to dust off a misery novel.

Furthermore, Working Class People don’t have such mucky dishes, given their tribal preference for blobs of brown sauce that are easily cleaned from plates by the chippy chips and Flora-ised white sliced they are stuffing in their obese mouths. It’s rather more difficult to remove the truffle jus that just gets everywhere. This fact is compounded by the far reduced pot usage of Working Class People, who believe Cooking From Scratch means Chuck Beige Stuff Onto Oven Tray, negating the need for two entire sets of Le Creuset (which Working Class People can’t pronounce, BTW) to produce aforementioned truffle jus.

Regarding washing, the cheap plastic-derived bed ‘linen’ (with ‘linen’ in quotes because the term only loosely applies) favoured by Working Class People has at least the advantage of washing easily and drying beautifully. By comparison, I can barely lift my 4K Egyptian cotton set from the drawer. The fearsome hassle of changing the sheets every second day is thus reduced. Similarly, clothes washing is far easier when all items are greyed sufficiently that they can happily share the same cycle. Obviously, Working Class People have no need for dry cleaning shops. Even if they owned clothing requiring dry cleaning (which is unlikely as Sunday Night Bingo At The Local Club does not usually, to my knowledge, impose a black tie dress code), they couldn’t afford the prices charged. So overall, fabric cleanliness is to a higher standard.

Finally, their obsession with watching QVC provides ample opportunity to purchase time-saving devices such as spinning scrubbers for the basin they use to have a Stand Up Wash in. You don’t get adverts for Chinese mass-produced robohoovers on Radio 4.

It's a very petit bourgeois thing, not to be clean, but to be insecure about cleanliness and virtue signal about how often you wash the towels and bed linen.

@MinervaSaidThar

Not at all, i was just generalizing horribly in the same way the OP was.

Saying that tho we are MC I suppose. Not very house proud and our cars are a mess. We both work, we outsource cleaning and house jobs. And our house size means we can walk around mess if we need too.

We'd rather spend our free time travelling or doing things we love.

@nomoresugar social class has nothing to do with income these days. It's more referring to your lifestyle/profession.

A working class could suddenly earn millions but still be common as muck. Equally a middle class person could only have £20 at the end of the month to buy beans on toast.

When they say money can't buy you class, they litterally mean it wont bump you up the ladder. Your kids or grandkids maybe if you adopt the lifestyles associated.

That was worded terribly. Apologies. I wasnt implying working class are common as muck

I think clean people are cleaner than non clean people mainly. - well done you have logic

Tall people are also taller than non tall people . Would you agree ?