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All we want for Christmas is an IMPEACHMENT! Trump con't

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2017 18:00

Dear Father Christmas/Santa, Please grant our Christmas Wish. We have been very good this year. We promise not to say shit, cunt, or fuck too terribly much unless we're driven to it by Trump CuntFuckery. Oh shit, so much for that promise! Well, we'll TRY. Thank You, the MN Viper Freedom Squad

Old thread;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3081957-The-zephyrs-of-change-Trump-continued?msgid=73548297

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/12/2017 16:16

Oh, and his argument re Article 2 is ridiculous. Article 2 names the POTUS as 'Commander in Chief' of the armed forces and allows him/her to appoint judges. Nowhere does it state that he is the 'chief law enforcement officer'. Law enforcement is still under the jurisdiction of local/state authorities and are NOT a branch of the armed services. Yet.

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Lweji · 04/12/2017 16:28

Trump shortlisted for Time person of the year

He was. Just not for the right reasons.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/12/2017 17:58

Yeah, well, so was Kim Jung Un. So the meaning behind the nomination is pretty obvious. And it ain't because they're Boy Scouts!

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cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 18:08

Well you couldn't say that either of them haven't 'influenced the news'. (The Time criterion if I recall.) Grin

lionheart · 04/12/2017 18:48

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The FBI is in “tatters”? No. The only thing in tatters is the President’s respect for the rule of law. The dedicated men and women of the FBI deserve better.

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lionheart · 04/12/2017 18:57

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BREAKING: CNN reports that Trump knew that Michael Flynn mislead the FBI & Mike Pence, yet still kept Flynn on as National Security Adviser for several weeks. This also came before Trump’s meeting with Comey. This is both “Abuse of Power” and “Obstruction of Justice”. Both crimes

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 19:33

You should also read Eric Holder's Twitter, lion. Smile

lionheart · 04/12/2017 19:42

Bigly who? Some flailing around here from the top Trump team.

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President Trump's personal attorney, John Dowd, claims the President cannot be guilty of obstructing justice cnn.it/2jN0VDR

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/12/2017 19:43

Is that new news? Isn’t that what was established with his tweets? I think I’m not keeping up any more!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/12/2017 19:46

Oh I see: it’s mcghan that’s saying he told trump Flynn had lied. But then why did he say Yates hadn’t told him a federal crime had been committed?

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/04/politics/wh-lawyer-told-trump-flynn-misled-fbi-pence/index.html

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 19:53

A Salon piece on Sanders. Thought-provoking?

He may not be needed but.....

badbadhusky · 04/12/2017 19:58

Just noticed Sally Yates midde initial of Q and got to musing. Turns out its Quillian, her maiden name, and not something exciting like Quinta.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/12/2017 20:02

The thing I’m not sure about is whether she did leave working class people behind because of her economic positioning and policies. I don’t think the rejection of HRC was rooted in her economic vision but more that they preferred trump’s rhetoric of victimhood and entitlements due to one’s race

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/12/2017 20:22

From a WaPo piece

www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?utm_term=.65b440dbe96d

Schaffner found that what distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters wasn't their attitudes about trade, but their attitudes about race. When asked whether whites are advantaged, Sanders-Trump voters were much more likely to disagree than were Sanders-Clinton voters.

...[I]n December 2011, 75 percent of Sanders-Trump voters agreed with this statement: "If blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites." Only 16 percent of Sanders-Clinton voters agreed.

Similarly, when how they felt about whites and blacks on a 0-100 scale, Sanders-Trump voters rated blacks 9 points lower than Sanders-Clinton voters. But Sanders-Trump voters rated whites 8 points higher.

The same thing was true for other minority groups. Compared with Sanders-Clinton voters, Sanders-Trump voters rated Latinos 21 points less favorably, Muslims 21 points less favorably, and gays and lesbians 22 points less favorably.

And that's possibly where Bernie is more attractive to those voters than HRC - he's said some questionable things about those who face oppression

Meyers asked Sanders if he worries at all that stories like the Mueller indictments "can to the left provide an excitement of, 'Oh, this is almost over,' when in fact it will probably go on forever and they need to focus on the ballot box as opposed to Mueller."

"Yes. I mean, I think we've got to work in two ways," Sanders answered. "No. 1, we have got to take on Trump's attacks against the environment, against women, against Latinos and Blacks and people in the gay community, we've got to fight back every day on those issues. But equally important, or more important: We have got to focus on bread-and-butter issues that mean so much to ordinary Americans."

[Melissa McEwan]: So, three things: 1. Bernie Sanders doesn't think equality under the law is a "bread-and-butter issue." 2. Bernie Sanders doesn't seem to think that women, people of color, and/or members of the LGBTQ community are "ordinary Americans." 3. Bernie Sanders doesn't think that the dismantling of the American democracy by an authoritarian leader and his corrupt party, aided by a foreign adversary, is something about which "ordinary Americans" do and should care. Oh.

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 20:28

Ouch.

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 20:45

PS - and I think she's wrong.

lionheart · 04/12/2017 20:54

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Kellyanne Conway says she was with Trump "all day" Saturday and that John Dowd crafted the Flynn tweet and sent it to the "director of social media."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/12/2017 20:56

That he didn’t mean ordinary Americans excluded women, Latinos, blacks, lgbt community?

lionheart · 04/12/2017 21:07

I like Eric too Cozie. Smile But Sally is Sally with a Q.

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 21:14
Grin

(By the way, Eric Is actually Eric with an 'H' as you'll recall. He just doesn't seem to use it. Wink)

lionheart · 04/12/2017 21:15

Eric is quite feisty though.

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DOJ leadership-do your jobs, step up. DOJ/FBI/Special Counsel ALL attacked by WH. That matters. Support these people who keep our nation safe, insure justice and are last defense against a real threat to our democracy. Speak out-Leadership/Courage more important than job security

lionheart · 04/12/2017 21:18

I think McGhan is in trouble too.

cozietoesie · 04/12/2017 21:20

I hope that EH has his birth certificate handy! Grin

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