At a 19yr Old Transwoman being elected a Labour woman’s officer

[bambambini]

Seems the old WO stepped down after alleged bullying and accusation of transphobia. The new WO is a 19 yr old Transwoman - i think who made many of The allegations against the previous WO.

What experience has a 19 yr old TW got to hold this post - weirder than weird.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8

[kinkajoukid]

Please, please don't give up on Labour because of this though - some of us are disabled and can't face another round of cuts, harassment and judgement from a Tory govt and Tory DWP.

The thought that Labour might win the next election is literally the only thing giving me glimmer of hope that life might get better.

[Vitalogy]

A trans woman that's just left school has got a job like that

[diddlemethis]

Forget everything else, the kid is 19. I would find it difficult to agree that a 19 year old girl could fully understand woman’s issues, and campaign effectively for them. Let alone an individual who has only very recently decided to present as female.

This individual is astonishingly under qualified. It doesn’t reflect well in the decision making prowess of her employer.

[Lancelottie]

Diddle, please send that line to the Labour Party.

[Ttbb]

That's actually kind of funny. I wonder how she'll react to addressing issues like tampon taxes and maternity descrimjbatiob.

[Singingtherapy]

Oh my word if you need any further clarification of how hopelessly unsuitable lily is for this role, check her out on YouTube. I just did. Her posts are only a year ago. She really is every inch the troubled teen and has no place for the foreseeable future in political leadership.

[Vitalogy]

Just shows what a joke they think women's issues are.

[stitchglitched]

Jesus everytime I think I've reached peak trans a new hill appears.

[SilverSpot]

For fucks sake, it's kafka-esque.

Yup.

Forget everything else, the kid is 19. I would find it difficult to agree that a 19 year old girl could fully understand woman’s issues, and campaign effectively for them. Let alone an individual who has only very recently decided to present as female.

This individual is astonishingly under qualified. It doesn’t reflect well in the decision making prowess of her employer.

Yup yup yup

[NeedsAsockamnesty]

The legal status of rape is interesting. It's currently defined in terms of parts of the biologically real body - insertion of a penis into vagina, anus or mouth without consent. So transwomen can and have been convicted (even those identifying as women at the time the offence was committed eg Kathy Brannen). At the moment it remains the one unambiguous way of getting a handle on how the statistics of sex offenders are being distorted by trains ideology - because regardless of how the perpetrator is described in press coverage you know that's if the actual offence they're convicted of is rape, they had a penis at the time the offence was committed

Strictly speaking that’s not fully correct.

A none penis owner can be convicted of rape in the uk if they participate and directly assist in a rape.. .

Of the top of my head I believe a conviction occurred in the 90’s of an actual biological women who directly participated in a gang rape in London where a woman was then thrown in the river if I remember correctly the convicted biologically females name started with a m but I could be wrong about that.

The offence of rape requires a penis but a women who participates in the act sufficiently could be convicted

[SummatFishyEre]

A transwoman is not a male!

Transwomen are male.
You cannot change biological sex
Transwomen will never be female
Transwomen are not women - they do not have the lived experiences of women and male privilege blinkers them to most of what women live through

[Vitalogy]

This was an answer to a reply on the Youtube video school toilet issue:

if they have a problem they use another bathroom. That's how equality law works. Holding biological standards is wrong (racism,sexism, disability discrimination). You can't just treat someone differently because of the circumstances of their birth. And it's the girls bathroom not the biological girls bathroom. I have every same right to use them.

[NeedsAsockamnesty]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1326786/Girl-18-guilty-of-towpath-rape.html

Not a transgender women

[catgirl1976]

Jesus

I've just watched some of the Youtube videos.

As a PP has said, leaving aside gender, that is a CHILD. I don't feel a bloody child is able to represent me be they male, female, transgender or unicorn.

[Sentimentallentil]

‘Holding biological standards is wrong’

What?? What does that mean?
What the fuck is a woman if it’s not biology?

Do you know what another word for a ‘biological standard’ is? Reality.
All of those things he mentioned rely on ‘biological standards’, you can’t be disabled unless an element of your biology either physically or mentally has been disabled, you can’t be black unless you were born of parents who (one or both) were also black, without ‘biological standards’ then none of these things exist. Which would be amazing if we lived in a perfect world where systemic oppression didn’t exist, but we don’t.

[EleanorXx]

Good for Lily

[NettleTea]

Anne said that at the woman's meeting there was an older lady who didnt actually know that it wasnt possible to change sex

seriously. this is the level of ignorance out there

[SilverSpot]

What really fucking gets on my tits (the ones I grew because I have XX chromosomes) is that transwomen are continually telling us that we are not entitled to speak to their experience because we don't understand it. And yet at the same time, they are allowed to speak over us about our experience because we're all women.

Yup.

So many good posts on here.

And so little we can actually do about it! What can we do? Who can we write to?

[SlowlyShrinking]

My mum didn’t know about the existence of xx and xy chromosomes. It seems obvious but a lot of people know nothing about biology. They think trans is just a kind of intersex.

[PricklyBall]

Yes, you're correct Needs, I oversimplified. But cases brought under conspiracy or common purpose are, as you note, incredibly rare. And in cases where only one perpetrator was involved you can be absolutely certain that perpetrator had a penis at the time of the offence.

[thiskittenbarks]

I’m all for trans rights but as a 19 year old trans woman has very little experience relevant to this role.
She will of course have some no doubt valuable experience in matters regarding trans issues - but these are not the same as women’s issues.
I might feel like I’m a man and decide to transition to being a man - but after doing it a few years it would be ridiculous if I said I was an expert on men’s issues and could represent men on such matters.

[shhhfastasleep]

Too young. Not been a woman for long. Does she even have a gender reassignment certificate yet?
There’s another thread in this in Feminism chat.
If her job is to get women involved in politics and to convince them to join the Labour Party, here’s my answer(s): get rid of Corbyn. And. Wtf do you know about being an adult woman?

[Clandestino]

So who is surprised that the Labour cannot win even though the Tories are looking like a bunch of loonies? This is seriously idiotic. Driving the political correctness or whatever it is supposed to be to the extremes.

[Datun]

lubeybooby

How can a wet behind the ears teenage boy who is militant about trans-rights understand and therefore represent the views of biological women?

Particularly one who thinks biology is actually irrelevant.

He’s not biologically female and neither is he legally female.

You claiming he is male is dreadfully womanphobic and bigoted.

May I suggest you check your privilege, educate yourself and stop committing literal violence.

[NettleTea]

agree Datun and also to add, a 19 year old boy who reported a GENUINE women's officer, with many years experience as LGBT rep for the prison service union, for sharing concerns about how a bill affects women and girls