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To be upset at a woman kicking my friendly 4 month old golden retriever?

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Marshmallowpops · 14/11/2017 21:22

I am so upset. I've just come back from a walk with my puppy. She's a lovely friendly golden retriever. I've been letting her off leash in the local park as the trainer said it's best to do it early. She is really friendly and loves to play with other dogs- she often meets them all for a play date in the park in the morning- there are always lots of dogs off leash in this park. Normally when there aren't other dogs she trots along beside me, sometimes going off to sniff but coming back when called. She's not too bothered about people but will say hello and sit down (not jump up) as she is trained to do. Today it was dark at 8pm and I let her off as normal, she just trots along and comes back when called. But today she saw two women, one with a baby in a carrier) so went over to say hello (she's normally not bothered but today was a little hyper), but she just trotted over like she does, really gently and not aggressive at all. I said to the woman 'don't worry she won't jump up she'll just sit down and say hello', but before my puppy had even reached the woman, the woman started kicking her away! I could understand if the dog seemed aggressive but she's the sweetest thing. She kicked her repeatedly, my puppy came back to me, I put her on the lead, and the other woman started having a go at me asking if I thought it was acceptable for my dog to go over and attack her baby. She was smoking a cigarette. I wanted to say that is going to cause more harm to the baby than my dog ever would but I didn't. I know of course that as a mother you are very protective of your baby but I just would never attack a friendly dog. Maybe they've had bad experiences in the past. I'm just very upset. I know not everyone likes dogs but that park is so dog busy that I thought everyone was used to it by now. I think I'll keep her on a lead at night until she's really 100% with recall. She's about 90% now. So I know there will be people who say I'm in the wrong letting her off but if she had an aggressive bone in her body I would never let her off.

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Motheroffourdragons · 14/11/2017 22:53

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JonSnowsWife · 14/11/2017 22:53

What was she doing with a baby out at 8pm on a cold and damp November night?

DNiece was an awful colicy baby. I still remember pushing her around the estate whilst my poor Dsis got a nap, at all times of the night one summer. I'm sure people thought the same about me.

8pm is not that late to be out. For hermit me yes. Not necessarily everyone else.

Florence16 · 14/11/2017 22:53

This was my four month old bitch next to an adult, she was very slight.

OP I’d keep her on lead when anyone comes near. Not worth the set back to her if she gets frightened. My girl is a bit of a wimp and it would have set her back no end.

To be upset at a woman kicking my friendly 4 month old golden retriever?
free2017 · 14/11/2017 22:54

@kootoo123 😂😂 . Exactly how I feel when I see a dog approaching me .

PeiPeiPing · 14/11/2017 22:55

There's some bloody entitled dog owners on here! Hmm

People who assume everyone wants their sniffling, dirty, muddy, clingy, claw-ridden, barking-machine all over them.

No we fucking don't. Fuck off.

And they have the audacity to moan about peoples babies! PMSL!

Lilmisskittykat · 14/11/2017 22:56

That’s just so sick to kick a puppy - some people are just evil.

I’m sorry I hope she didn’t hurt your pup.

HolyShet · 14/11/2017 22:56

YANBU to be upset, horrible behaviour

However, IMO you put your puppy at risk of this horribleness.

It's not ok to let dogs go up to people like that and it's not ok - as so many owners do - to say oh, she's ok, she's friendly - some people, quite rightly just do not want your dog anywhere near them.

PeiPeiPing · 14/11/2017 22:57

I wonder if the OP has finished her pack of popcorn yet? Hmm

Julie8008 · 14/11/2017 22:57

YABU
Sorry dogs can be scary and have been bitten by one when the owners have stood beside saying, "dont worry she wont bite". Keep your dog on a leash. Its no excuse saying, oh but they are so pretty.

Motheroffourdragons · 14/11/2017 23:00

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MoistCantaloupe · 14/11/2017 23:01

Oh, OP isn’t back.
She must be out for her 11pm dark park walk.

BonnieF · 14/11/2017 23:01

The dog owner was clearly at fault. The animal should not have been off the lead if the owner did not have complete voice control over it, and it should not have been allowed to approach the mother and baby. Had the dog been under proper control of a responsible owner, the incident would not have occurred.

The mother was probably at fault for kicking the dog, but we have to allow for the possibility that she was genuinely frightened of it. Perhaps she had been attacked by an out-of-control dog in the past? We don't know.

If you own a dog it is your responsibility to keep it under full control at all times.

counterpoint · 14/11/2017 23:03

"I still remember pushing her around the estate whilst my poor Dsis got a nap, at all times of the night one summer."

Middle of November is not the same as "summer".

JonSnowsWife · 14/11/2017 23:13

Did you bother to read the end of my post counterpoint?

I said 8pm in is NOT that late even now.

counterpoint · 14/11/2017 23:14

It is for a baby!

Halfdrankbrew · 14/11/2017 23:14

Drives me mad when dog owners assume everyone is a dog lover "he's only playing" yes, maybe to you. I never trust dogs around babies and would have been pretty pissed off having a dog off the lead running at me if I had my 4 month old in the sling. I wouldn't think twice lashing out if I thought my baby was at risk.

JonSnowsWife · 14/11/2017 23:17

8pm is not that late to be out. For hermit me yes. Not necessarily everyone else.

Here. You're welcome.

8pm is not too late for a baby you're trying to settle! Babywearer is entitled to use the park just as much as Labrador owner is.

hamptonhangingpork · 14/11/2017 23:24

Every mumsnet thread on dogwalkers ever:

OP: mean chavvy smoker with baby, out way too late in my opinion, tried to kick my big dog. Yes, it was off the leash and has crap recall, especially when it goes charging out of sight, but it's friendly and wouldn't hurt a fly. Aibu to think she was wholly out of line?

75% of mumsnet: yabu your dog, your responsibility. Not everyone likes dogs which is why not everyone has one etc.

25% of mumsnet: yanbu we totally luffs our dog as much as you do yours. Violently assault and/or shame the mother. No one should do anything to your innocent furbaby no matter what etc.

And repeat.

counterpoint · 14/11/2017 23:26

From the government website on babies:

Exposure to cold night air should be avoided.

The woman was an idiot for smoking, for taking a baby out in mid November nighttime and for over-reacting to a puppy. Where was the baby? On the ground?

Marshmallowpops · 14/11/2017 23:28

I did not expect so many replies, was just really having a vent so I didn't have to bother DP with complaining, I have not been online, going to read through them all when I have time but thanks for all opinions on either side.

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DiegoMadonna · 14/11/2017 23:30

Seriously? Many, many, many?? Where the hell do you live?!

It's more about where I work than where I live, I think. Dog bits on young children are pretty common in most places, after all.

WonderLime · 14/11/2017 23:32

counterpoint

It doesn’t matter if the women was out with her baby, her elderly, frail mother or her pet capybara. It doesn’t change the fact that the dog should have been on a lead.

user1498726699 · 14/11/2017 23:37

Those pesky humans in parks and public spaces getting upset about lickle ickle cutie pie furbabies who just want to play.

This country has gone to the dogs literally.

counterpoint · 14/11/2017 23:37

There is no justifiable reason for the dog to have been on a lead.

Humans need to learn to behave appropriately.

This planet is for sharing.

If the woman cared one iota for her baby, she wouldn't have been smoking or forcing the baby to breath cold night air.

user1498726699 · 14/11/2017 23:40

Amazing! How DID you learn to type with your paws Counterpoint