To wonder what will happen when there are no iobs

[rainandfire]

When technology does everything, driving, deliveries, retail ... what will people do then?

I think so too make - are you linking that point to caring jobs?

Now there are many caring job, I know, but this won't be th case in a decade

Yes it will!
Where are you getting this idea that we have armies of fully functioning robots ready to go? There is no tech that can currently do the job of elder care, and none expected within the next decade. We do not have the tech ability for this at present, it is an incredibly complexe thing to create.

Stop with the daft, uninformed pronouncements.

If you watched black mirror you would know. Everyone, was bored and very restricted in what they could did. Talent completions was the go to entertainment, video games and going to the gym to stay active. They lived in tour block with rooms that looked like block because of over population.

Dh worries over this and is very keen that the DC get into coding...

I'm not sure lweji - think back to 1997 with no one having a mobile, and now.

That's two decades. Not one.
In 2007 most people had mobiles.

hot it's estimated it's around 10 years away.

Even if we assume you're correct that's one job - others are still vanishing. It's not an army of robots, but things that already exist like Alexa being honed and defined.

I know Lweji behave!

But it's still very rapid change from no mobile to the ones we have now!

hot it's estimated it's around 10 years away.

a reference would be nice.

I look at how subscriptions for stuff are taking over and reliance on Wifi for things and wonder how thats going to all work out.
£5.99 for cloud storage
£5.99 for TV
£5.99 for online TV
£5.99 for apple radio
etc etc

Things quickly become necessities in life

As for jobs, even if we have a citizen wage people need to do something to feel fulfilled. Lets face it a citizen wage isn't going to pay enough to do fun stuff. At the moment we can't even manage to support people that need it and theres a huge swath of people who are against benefit scroungers.

It is something we need to be mindful of, theres a huge issue in engineering at the moment of dying trades and encouraging people into them as the younger generation aren't going into certain trades.

Just because we can automate something doesnt mean we should.

The 2 things that technology can’t do are individual (non-replicable) manual jobs (kitchen fitting, plumbing, electrician, etc) and high-end data analysis / critical thinking (things like law, crisis management and politics

And the Arts. I am hopeful that this revolution in work (and remember it’s not too long since we were mostly subsistence farmers who didn’t work ‘for’ anyone, so the situation now has not always been and will not necessarily always be in the future) will mean that people who are skilled on the arts are once again prized for being so. And someone mentioned artisanalism - I think we will go back to that as well.

And the Arts.

Don't kid yourself.

I'm trying to find it lweji, I'm on my phone so it's difficult.

At any rate let's assume that you're correct and technology won't replace humans in care. That's all well and good.

But retail jobs are vanishing as are drivers jobs. So these people will be also looking for care work. When there's a surplus of labour conditions and costs go down. So it's still a problem, isnt it?

The answer is in Kurt Vonnegut's book called Player Piano. A quick easy enjoyable read.

will have a look :)

Alexa can't do anything, its just another user interface. There's already a huge amount of automation in manufacturing, anything from cars to white goods. We are nowhere near any kind of robot that can adapt and learn in the same way humans can, they are built to do do a very specific job, then they are scrapped. There are far more worrying things that the human race will face in the next 100 years than robots taking over - climate change for one.

But it's still very rapid change from no mobile to the ones we have now!

It's about 45 years actually , and phones are really very simple to make. Have you any idea how unbelievably complex a robot would have to be to do the most simple of caring jobs? We've only just managed to create robots with knees, and they still don't bend like human joints.
Not to mention even if we had the tech, the practical, ethical and cost implications pretty much rule it out. A human on min wage is probably always, or at least for a very very long time, more cost effective than a robot.

I'm not talking about robots per se but technology.

Anyway as I have already said - let's say you're right. That's fine.

But driverless cars are happening, that puts taxi drivers and delivery drivers and bus drivers out of jobs. Retail jobs are vanishing with self service and online shopping.

So if all those people are looking for work, that's still a problem.

I assume robots will do more and more, with humans just 'supervising.

What technology do you think will lift and turn and bathe and feed someone if not in the form of a robot?

Driverless cars may well turn out to be a gimmick, or have too many legal issues to take over. Driverless buses are a very very long way off, if ever.

You are severely overestimating the encroaching wave of technology. Where are you getting your info from, and on what are you basing your sweeping assertions on?

Just because we can automate something doesnt mean we should.

But we live in a capitalist society where the private sector will maximise profit at all costs. Automation vastly reduces overheads and it would be madness to think that any private sector company would willingly cut profits just to keep people occupied in jobs that didn’t need doing. The only reason that all tills in all supermarkets aren’t self-service is that no supermarket wants the negative publicity of being the first to introduce it, but someone will sooner or later.

Have you any idea how unbelievably complex a robot would have to be to do the most simple of caring jobs?

But you are viewing through the existing lens.

What we will see is a human-sized plastic tube full of saline solution. Tubes in the orafices. Appropriate levels of tranquillisers and blockers. Self-flushing. Perhaps some sort of neural stimulation probes.

It will be very expensive.

It'll never happen. Society evolves. Look at the High Street today, with betting shops, tattoo parlours, cosmetic surgery - none of those shops existed 200 years ago. Look at 200 years ago, where towns were built around mills, factories, etc - those mills/factories didn't exist 200 years before that. Yes, a lot of today's jobs will disappear, but new jobs we've never even thought about will be created. It's just going to be more important than ever to be educated, either with academic education to be able to think and develop a variety of things, or manual skills education to be able to make and repair a variety of things. As we've already seen, "jobs for life" have gone, so next generations of workers will have to be multi-skilled.

I don’t know much about teccy stuff, but I found a recent story about AI robots making up their own language strangely unsettling www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html%3famp

Human made goods and services will become premium.

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